QQ... a Series of Tough Decisions? (50 NL) - Page 2

bozzer · #11 10-19-2007, 08:18 PM

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[x]value
[x]protection

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calling ranges pls.

Sh@i'tan · #12 10-19-2007, 08:34 PM

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[x]value
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calling ranges pls.

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why would you 3bet pf if you are going to attempt to pot control this hand?

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JJ

all hands we beat i expect to call a flop bet not to mention any other random crap he has and might show up with.

checking then putting all the money is terrible. especially, if hes putting the money in.

Sniiii · #13 10-19-2007, 08:36 PM

I can't help myself but to consider the possibility of an AKs here, hoping to hit a flush.

members_only · #14 10-19-2007, 08:42 PM

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all hands we beat i expect to call a flop bet not to mention any other random crap he has and might show up with.

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WTF

Did you read all the OP? Guy is playing 6/4

bozzer · #15 10-19-2007, 08:48 PM

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why would you 3bet pf if you are going to attempt to pot control this hand?

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[x] value
[x] protection

is this flop above average for us vs his calling range?

Sh@i'tan · #16 10-19-2007, 08:49 PM

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all hands we beat i expect to call a flop bet not to mention any other random crap he has and might show up with.

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WTF

Did you read all the OP? Guy is playing 6/4

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y don't you answer my question.

and YES i read all of your OP. it was from a previous session and frankly im assuming hes one of the run of the mill nitty donks i run into and when they raise a pair they aren't folding it to a 3bet pf. i wouldnt be suprised if after 500 hands hes playing with a > 10 VPIP and > 10 PFR.

bozzer · #17 10-19-2007, 08:52 PM

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all hands we beat i expect to call a flop bet not to mention any other random crap he has and might show up with.

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WTF

Did you read all the OP? Guy is playing 6/4

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y don't you answer my question.

and YES i read all of your OP. it was from a previous session and frankly im assuming hes one of the run of the mill nitty donks i run into and when they raise a pair they aren't folding it to a 3bet pf. i wouldnt be suprised if after 500 hands hes playing with a > 10 VPIP and > 10 PFR.

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maybe they don't fold preflop, but they surely don't call a cbet when they miss their set. JJ,99 and occassionally AK is the widest calling range we can put him on IMO.

Sniiii · #18 10-19-2007, 08:55 PM

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maybe they don't fold preflop, but they surely don't call a cbet when they miss their set. JJ,99 and occassionally AK is the widest calling range we can put him on IMO.

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If that's the case, then we bet the flop for:
[x]value
[x]protection

bozzer · #19 10-19-2007, 08:58 PM

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maybe they don't fold preflop, but they surely don't call a cbet when they miss their set. JJ,99 and occassionally AK is the widest calling range we can put him on IMO.

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If that's the case, then we bet the flop for:
[x]value
[x]protection

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so 99,JJ and occasionally AK are > 50% of his calling range are they?

this is a really great spot for a flop check.

fwiw, i check flop, think a LOT about betting or checking turn, probably bet and check fold river.

members_only · #20 10-19-2007, 08:59 PM

Sure, it's very unlikely that his true stats are 6/4. But he probably is still pretty tight. And I don't know which nitty donks you're playing with, but I doubt he'll call a 3-bet with any pair he raises, never mind peeling the flop with 22 etc.

Your question is a good one. If I didn't think there was value in betting a flop like this, maybe I should just have called pre? There could be an argument for that. It was something I wanted to generate discussion about because I don't really know. I don't think I played this hand very well, which is why I posted it. Thanks for contributing, I hope I didn't offend you.