a very messy hand, any comment on any street?

terencetsao · #1 06-14-2007, 11:59 PM

One of my biggest leak on the game is to push my equity edge against multiple opponents. Supposedly i have no read on any of my opponents below.
Preflop: i know is good
flop: do i forget to cap there?
turn: should i lead out since it is multiple opponents and i have 20% improving to the best hand, so push my equity edge?
river:i know is good.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero calls, UTG+1 (poster) checks, 4 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5SB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Button 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8.5BB, 4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8.5BB, 4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls.

Results:
Final pot: 14.5BB

Rev. Good Will · #2 06-15-2007, 12:03 AM

I think this is perfect

Gib · #3 06-15-2007, 12:05 AM

looks pretty good

Christian_Peters · #4 06-15-2007, 12:10 AM

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One of my biggest leak on the game is to push my equity edge against multiple opponents.

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This is an oxymoron. Do you know what that means?

I cap the flop.

BigBadBabar · #5 06-15-2007, 12:17 AM

christian, in a friendly-with-all-due-respect manner, you're quite cocky/condescending for someone who's new to the forum and is playing .05/.1 . be nicer please.

marchron · #6 06-15-2007, 02:25 AM

Unless one of the players turned 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] face-up, cap the flop.

Aaron W. · #7 06-15-2007, 02:53 AM

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Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero calls, UTG+1 (poster) checks, 4 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5SB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Button 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8.5BB, 4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8.5BB, 4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises...

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If you're UTG+1, what hands do you raise here?

marchron · #8 06-15-2007, 03:22 AM

A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], lesser full houses. (Edit: I wouldn't raise A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], but an average .50/1 donk would.)

I can't see UTG+1 raising Xx5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or Xx10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the flop unless he already had a flush. I say three-bet and hope we're not getting coolered.

That said, if we were live with no cap HU, I wouldn't make it five if Villain four-bets us, if for no other reason than we probably wouldn't qualify for the BBJ.

NIX · #9 06-15-2007, 04:42 PM

I cap the flop myself, but the rest is good.

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turn: should i lead out since it is multiple opponents and i have 20% improving to the best hand, so push my equity edge?

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This isn't quite right because you probably don't have an edge. If you know that you're going to improve to the best hand 20% of the time and have to improve to win, and you are betting the worst hand for value here, you want to be putting in less than 20% of the money (from a simple EV of betting calculation). With the board being what it is, if you do get called, it's probably going to be by a better hand, so you're going to need to catch more often than not to win. This means you're going to be putting in much more than 20% of the money, even if everyone calls, so it's a losing bet.

terencetsao · #10 06-16-2007, 02:20 AM

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This isn't quite right because you probably don't have an edge. If you know that you're going to improve to the best hand 20% of the time and have to improve to win, and you are betting the worst hand for value here, you want to be putting in less than 20% of the money (from a simple EV of betting calculation). With the board being what it is, if you do get called, it's probably going to be by a better hand, so you're going to need to catch more often than not to win. This means you're going to be putting in much more than 20% of the money, even if everyone calls, so it's a losing bet.

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thanks, that help a lot!