AK wtf??

[chirpy]

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I check turn. He either folds to the bet (we lose value) or he crai (and you dont even know what your going to do).

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results orientated much?

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Not at all. Just think about it. After someone c/r-es the flop then checks the turn. they either crai or c/f, no?

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This holds true almost always from my experience of MSNL..

[ArturiusX]

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The fact that the J is the flop club card really kills his semibluffing range. I'd muck it.

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could you explain this?

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Pretty simple, QJ, JT, J9, J8, KJcc, all these hands might peel the flop and take a stab on the turn.

I like unarmed's thinking, and having that board makes it easier, I still call though cause I don't see him double c/ring with anything bar 22. Even AJ plays it more straight up.

[eof]

turn is a check and you call any safe and many unsafe cards. you have position and a hand that has show down value that can't stand a c/r. even if he bets the pot on the river we are getting better odds paying 50% more, in effect letting us show downt he hand for 40$ instead of the big c/r on the turn.

[Unknown Soldier]

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The fact that the J is the flop club card really kills his semibluffing range. I'd muck it.

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could you explain this?

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Pretty simple, QJ, JT, J9, J8, KJcc, all these hands might peel the flop and take a stab on the turn.

I like unarmed's thinking, and having that board makes it easier, I still call though cause I don't see him double c/ring with anything bar 22. Even AJ plays it more straight up.

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he didnt peel, he min-raised bit of a difference, i say [censored] it and call because im confused by the whole thing

[Unknown Soldier]

and fwiw i check the turn too, i'd imagine villains range is pretty polarized.

[Unarmed]

Turn bet is fine. Due to the flop texture he has a draw rarely, so you're not going to fold a better hand if he shoves. If he has you beat, bet/folding the turn accomplishes the same as chking and calling the river. If you have him beat you get to stack AQ by betting turn. Pot control definitely has its place, just not in this hand.

[Unknown Soldier]

AQ minraises the flop? it's a wierd line.

[creative]

unarmed, i dont see how they accomplish the same thing

can you explain a bit further? its early in the morning and i confused =[

[Mr. Wishbone]

Check turn, call river.

[luegofuego]

wtf ofcourse u check turn