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#1
11-10-2007, 11:49 AM
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Strange NL betting rule
I ran into this at a casino recently and I still can't seem to get a straight answer from the card room people.
1/2 NL. I am on the button. 6 players see the flop at 10 each. Board comes with a Jh 6s Jd, giving me trips ( J-10). BB bets 15, next player goes all in for 21. I more caller before I raise to 100. But the dealer makes be pull back my bet stating that I can only call since $21 bet since any all in move that equals less than half a raise, i.e., $30, freezes the action for that round meaning that I could only call teh $21 bet. I protest but he holds his ground and makes me take my bet down. The turn is a blank and gets checked to me and I make it a hundred. Get called by the flush draw. And guess what hits the river. It took me hours to hunt down the answer and although the card room manager finally said the dealer was wrong, several of the dealers still insisted the card room manager was wrong. Is anyone aware of a general rule where an all in bet which does not amount to a full raise caps the action for that round? Thanks. 
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#2
11-10-2007, 12:08 PM
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Re: Strange NL betting rule
Hi
I´m not aware of this ruling. If BB bets 15, you call 15 and player X raises all-in for less than 30 and furthermore there are no more active players, than the BB and you can not re-raise because player X did not complete the bet to 30 and thus his raise is not live. But ---- you had not yet called the 15 , right ? Then yes, in every single NL game ( that I know of) you should be able to re-raise as much as you want. Bashar EDIT -- I think this thread belongs in the B&M forum.
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#6
11-10-2007, 06:26 PM
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Re: Strange NL betting rule
The dealer is an idiot and he should be reprimanded. If the Floor and management had any guts he would have been. The rule he was enforcing doesn't take effect until everyone has made some kind of action first - in your case you hadn't.
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#7
11-12-2007, 06:59 AM
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Re: Strange NL betting rule
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If hes calling 100 on the turn with FD... He's calling it on the flop... Either way same result [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Except he picked up the FD on the turn. The flop was rainbow.
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#8
11-13-2007, 01:08 AM
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Re: Strange NL betting rule
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If hes calling 100 on the turn with FD... He's calling it on the flop... Either way same result [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Can you come play in my home game? He didn't have a flush draw to call on the flop, he got it on the turn due to OPs inability to drive him out of the pot. Flush draw would not have called on the flop if OP could have bet $100. My experience, and how we handle this in my home game, is if the raise is for more than half of the original bet, there can be reraises. So if original bet was $30, if shortstack goes all in for $15 or more on top of calling the $30 original bet than others can reraise NL, if shortstack can only reraise $14.99 or less ($0.99 is just for exactness)than there can be no reraises. It is a fair rule, you just need to know it. The beauty is when you are aware of all the stacks at the table and are able to use this rule against others trapping 3 - 4 cally wally's in the middle drawing very thin by betting an amount that if the shortstack wants to push, his raise is just a bit more than half of the original bet. It doesn't happen very often, but it is SUPER FUN when it does. Sorry OP that it rolled out like that on you, but rules are rules, you just got to know them, which isn't easy if you play in multiple places.
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#9
11-13-2007, 04:56 AM
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Re: Strange NL betting rule
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[ QUOTE ] If hes calling 100 on the turn with FD... He's calling it on the flop... Either way same result [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Can you come play in my home game? He didn't have a flush draw to call on the flop, he got it on the turn due to OPs inability to drive him out of the pot. Flush draw would not have called on the flop if OP could have bet $100. My experience, and how we handle this in my home game, is if the raise is for more than half of the original bet, there can be reraises. So if original bet was $30, if shortstack goes all in for $15 or more on top of calling the $30 original bet than others can reraise NL, if shortstack can only reraise $14.99 or less ($0.99 is just for exactness)than there can be no reraises. It is a fair rule, you just need to know it. The beauty is when you are aware of all the stacks at the table and are able to use this rule against others trapping 3 - 4 cally wally's in the middle drawing very thin by betting an amount that if the shortstack wants to push, his raise is just a bit more than half of the original bet. It doesn't happen very often, but it is SUPER FUN when it does. Sorry OP that it rolled out like that on you, but rules are rules, you just got to know them, which isn't easy if you play in multiple places. [/ QUOTE ] Let me see if I understand your "rules." Before any action post flop player A bets $30. Player B only has $14.99 so he calls. Are you saying that players C, D, E, can only call player A's $30? Cuz if you are you have some retarded rules. If you aren't then please clarify?
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#10
11-13-2007, 10:14 AM
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Re: Strange NL betting rule
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] If hes calling 100 on the turn with FD... He's calling it on the flop... Either way same result [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Can you come play in my home game? He didn't have a flush draw to call on the flop, he got it on the turn due to OPs inability to drive him out of the pot. Flush draw would not have called on the flop if OP could have bet $100. [/ QUOTE ] So, it was okay to call on the turn, getting 2:1 on a 4:1 chance... but there's no way the player is going to call on the flop?
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