$1/2 NL Very Deep, Top 2

FGators · #1 10-18-2006, 04:55 PM

Stars $1/2. Hero is an unknown. I have $620, he covers me by $40. Villain opens to $8 UTG. folds to me who calls on the button with 68 hearts. Everybody else folds.

Flop: 8s 6s 2h

Villain leads for $10, hero raises to $36, villain makes it $85. Whats the standard play here for really deep stacks? Is a push crazy? Do we ever fold to a push if I make it $200?

jjigglers · #2 10-18-2006, 04:57 PM

Villain's UTG opening range is very, very important, but with no reads you can't 3bet and fold to a push.

orange · #3 10-18-2006, 04:58 PM

Think of the best way to get it in. I would probably call and shove over a blank turn (blank meaning no paint/2). I think he has an overpair almost always here. I don't see how you can be this deep and have 0 reads though.

Paul Thomson · #4 10-18-2006, 05:02 PM

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Think of the best way to get it in. I would probably call and shove over a blank turn (blank meaning no paint/2). I think he has an overpair almost always here. I don't see how you can be this deep and have 0 reads though.

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Listen to this.

Dan Bitel · #5 10-18-2006, 05:36 PM

we rly playing for stacks here?

Paul Thomson · #6 10-18-2006, 05:53 PM

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Hell yeah. it's funny because alot of the time, I see you willing to get it all-in, I'm a little suspect.

However, I doubt the villain has middle or top set (only 2 ways to make those hands) and if he has bottom set than we have a decent amount of outs. He almost surely has an overpair.

FGators · #7 10-18-2006, 06:12 PM

I'm "readless" because I'm 10 tabling. He seems to be pretty tight from my time at the table but I actually doubled up really quick off a fish that went busto. He hasn't gotten out of line.

By the way if the board comes a 5 of spades are we planning on pushing?

Also, what if it comes a red J or Q?

I feel if a non spade or 2 comes I have to go broke. Its too much of a guessing game of what overpair he has.

Paul Thomson · #8 10-18-2006, 06:15 PM

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I'm "readless" because I'm 10 tabling. He seems to be pretty tight from my time at the table but I actually doubled up really quick off a fish that went busto. He hasn't gotten out of line.

By the way if the board comes a 5 of spades are we planning on pushing?

Also, what if it comes a red J or Q?

I feel if a non spade or 2 comes I have to go broke. Its too much of a guessing game of what overpair he has.

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i'm not psyced to get it all in anymore on a Q turn. I throw up with a J turn as well.

carnivalhobo · #9 10-18-2006, 06:15 PM

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we rly playing for stacks here?

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Hell yeah. it's funny because alot of the time, I see you willing to get it all-in, I'm a little suspect.

However, I doubt the villain has middle or top set (only 2 ways to make those hands) and if he has bottom set than we have a decent amount of outs. He almost surely has an overpair.

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i dont think that OMG i have TTP means we need to go broke for 300bbs. Not that its not right agaisnt some people but i would want to be sure. I think calling and bombing a blank turn is best, by blank im thinking non spade.

luckychewy · #10 10-18-2006, 06:26 PM

his flop 3-bet is so small. really looks to me like he has an overpair that is just trying to find out if he's good and looking to fold to a 4-bet. if you think he is the type to say to himself, "i'm raising and folding to a 4-bet - oh well he 4-bet he might have a draw i'm allin." then 4-bet. otherwise i think calling and getting it in on a safe turn is preffered.