First Hand Post - JJ River Value Bet

[Bulletproof Monk]

([censored] you to villain, not op btw lol)

[bennyhana]

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fwiw, folding preflop is just fine.

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lolweaktightaments

[n1_pete]

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([censored] you to villain, not op btw lol)

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lol. think i'm not quite at the level for the "xxxx you!" approach. but maybe one day [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Sushiglutton]

Interesting subject,but where are the J's and how can we value-bet the river [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]. Anyway I think u can raise the flop. As played I pay off the river. U will have him beat more than 1/5.

[voyamatarte]

Post flop, after he bets, I think it is safe to say that our flush outs are clean, and unless you can put him on JJ, our overcards are clean outs. Even if we discount each overcard to just 2 outs, we are still drawing to 13 outs. We are almost a favorite to improve to best hand! Raise this flop!
If he 3-barrels us, we can discount our overcards more and reevaluate on the turn.

Often, raising here will cost us one SB on the flop, and then let us get a free card on the turn if it dosn't improve our big drawing hand. Also, it can get the original agressor to donkbet into us when we DO hit our hand, letting us raise AGAIN on the big streets.

As played, I dont bet the turn -- we have high card. Is this weak?

[Bulletproof Monk]

btw fold preflop and obviously call the river to snap of his Acxx

"[censored] you raise" is because you 3bet him preflop. that means he isnt allowed to bet in to you on the flop. so when he does you say "[censored] you" and raise him, pretty much regardless of the situation.

[n1_pete]

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"[censored] you raise" is because you 3bet him preflop. that means he isnt allowed to bet in to you on the flop. so when he does you say "[censored] you" and raise him, pretty much regardless of the situation.

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fair enough, i like that and will xxxx you raise in this situation next time. cool [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[TarHeel100]

I'm raising the flop here. You only have 3 hands on him and we don't know the specifics on those, but for the sake of fun, let's assume he is a maniac. If so, there is a good chance you are ahead here and then you are raising for value.

Things would play differently if you raise the flop, but assuming he just calls, lead the turn, and river as well.

[Xhad]

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Things would play differently if you raise the flop, but assuming he just calls, lead the turn, and river as well.

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spew

[RemyXO]

Preflop is sexy. You gotta raise that flop and then make a decision to take a free card or pop again. As played, I am calling the river 100%