$109 - a lot of decisions with A9s

guaranteedBluff · #1 07-18-2006, 12:54 AM

I think that this hand is interesting because there are a good number of decisions on PF and Flop. Not sure if any of the ones I made were correct, looking back.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 (t8556)
MP1 (t29926)
MP2 (t17967)
MP3 (t7935)
CO (t34574)
Hero (t10152)
SB (t12981)
BB (t11672)
UTG (t6796)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t600, 2 folds, CO calls t600, Hero calls t600, SB completes, BB checks.

My thinking was that I would have to raise a lot to get people out, but that I didn't want to fold with such a large pot either, ok?

Flop: (t3000) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, CO bets t1129, Hero calls t1129

Ok so big stack made a very small bet compared to pot...damn I wish it were bigger and then I could raise all-in, oh well I guess I have odds for my flush

SB raises to t5000, BB folds, MP1 folds, CO folds, Hero

time banks, well I guess I have no FE anymore, but my hand may be good as much as 48% (if my ace outs are good)...oh well lets throw the chips in there calls [t8423] t1129, SB calls t4552.

Turn: (t14810) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t14810) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t14810

pineapple888 · #2 07-18-2006, 02:04 AM

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I think that this hand is interesting because there are a good number of decisions on PF and Flop. Not sure if any of the ones I made were correct, looking back.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 (t8556)
MP1 (t29926)
MP2 (t17967)
MP3 (t7935)
CO (t34574)
Hero (t10152)
SB (t12981)
BB (t11672)
UTG (t6796)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t600, 2 folds, CO calls t600, Hero calls t600, SB completes, BB checks.

My thinking was that I would have to raise a lot to get people out, but that I didn't want to fold with such a large pot either, ok?

Flop: (t3000) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, CO bets t1129, Hero calls t1129

Ok so big stack made a very small bet compared to pot...damn I wish it were bigger and then I could raise all-in, oh well I guess I have odds for my flush

SB raises to t5000, BB folds, MP1 folds, CO folds, Hero

time banks, well I guess I have no FE anymore, but my hand may be good as much as 48% (if my ace outs are good)...oh well lets throw the chips in there calls [t8423] t1129, SB calls t4552.

Turn: (t14810) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t14810) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t14810

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Fold preflop. You have to be much deeper to play this hand. Post-flop action shows precisely why. Too easy to get pot-committed with a highly marginal holding. A9s pretty much sucks unless you are deep enough to play for nut flush value only MINIMUM 30bb.

AlcateL · #3 07-18-2006, 02:36 AM

ok fold preflop or raise to 3200 and push (almost) any flop.

mikeJ · #4 07-18-2006, 06:42 AM

I fold PF. On the flop, CO makes a pretty weakish bet, I raise to 6k-AI. You have a lot of FE and a great hand / situation to semibluff here. CO's bet does not need to be bigger for you to raise. You win the pot outright a very large% of the time and when you're called, you're probably on avg. 35-40% to win.

mikeJ · #5 07-18-2006, 06:43 AM

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ok fold preflop or raise to 3200 and push (almost) any flop.

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Reverse implied odds anyone?

eBo · #6 07-18-2006, 02:27 PM

I don't think you're good 48% of the time. He may be bluffing with a straight or flush draw, but he may also have a set or 2 pair, meaning that you might still lose if you hit the flush.

I'd say you're a 30-35% favorite, and that is not good for you to call the check-raise. Fold to his check-raise.

betgo · #7 07-18-2006, 03:13 PM

I play this a lot looser than the other posters. You guys are a bunch of nits.

I like the limp behind with position. People say this flop shows why calling is bad. I say it shows why calling is good, provided you play aggressively.

I don't like raising to 3200 and pushing any flop, because you have position, and someone is likely to push first.

I don't think pushing prelop is a bad play. There is 2400 or so in the pot. You are about a 2-1 dog to 99-KK and AT-AK, crushed by AA, and ahead of anything else. If you win 38% if called, then you lose an average of 1500 if called. I think pushing is clearly somewhat cEV+.

I like pushing or calling on the button. I don't like folding preflop.

I would push or make a decent sized raise on the flop. I might not push in order to disguise my hand. If you are going to call a push, why not push yourself.

You are OK against one or two pair considering pot odds. I think you had a pretty easy push when SB raised. You are getting 7-4 pot odds, so you only need to win 36% of the time.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1837962
pokenum -h ad 9d - jc qh -- tc jd 5d
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Tc Jd 5d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad 9d 457 46.16 533 53.84 0 0.00 0.462
Jc Qh 533 53.84 457 46.16 0 0.00 0.538

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1837965
pokenum -h ad 9d - jc 5h -- tc jd 5d
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Tc Jd 5d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad 9d 370 37.37 620 62.63 0 0.00 0.374
Jc 5h 620 62.63 370 37.37 0 0.00 0.626

guaranteedBluff · #8 07-18-2006, 05:12 PM

Betgo - Like you said, I call PF because I have position and a decent hand, which might be ahead of everyone elses. Raising huge to 3000 doesn't seem good to me.

When big stack bets into me on the flop, of course I want to raise. However, a raise has to be at least to t4500 (I think?) which leaves me with <4000 behind. A push, on the other hand, is an overbet and stinks of flush draw. By calling with these great odds, I have a) the chance to hit my flush, and b) the chance to bluff him off his hand on later streets when no [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits (I get this idea because he has been aggressive on multiperson pots prior to this).

Then, dude in the blind raises, and that plan goes to hell - and I consider folding to his raise...