Underhanded Tactic Used in a 10/20 NL game, Please Discuss.

Nick Rivers · #1 08-17-2007, 02:28 AM

First of all, I don't know what forum this should go in, so if it needs to be moved, go for it, but it happened in a 10/20 live NL game, so I'm putting it here. In the hand, the three relevant players are me, villain, and a big fish. I folded preflop, but, being a diligent poker player, paid attention to the hand.

The fish raised preflop, villain called on the SB, and they were HU on the flop. Villain check-called two streets then check-raised all-in on the river. I'm sorry I don't recall the stacks, but it turns out that isn't really important here. What is important is that I knew the villain was bluffing, or at least I was 90% sure, as I'd played with him several times and had a pretty good read on what his moves meant. So I just said out loud to the fish, "He's bluffing; I'd call it." After some deliberation, fish did just that, and won the pot. Needless to say, this did not go over well with the villain, who proceded to call over the floor and make his case furiously. I got a warning and agreed to not do it again, but after that, the fish had a bigger stack and the villain, who was a competent player (probably breakeven) went on tilt for the better part of an hour.

I realized that it was this poker room's policy to just issue warnings, warnings that never have teeth, and warnings that don't really accrue to an eventual refusal to let you play (assuming you don't get way out of line like sock the shift manager in the jaw or something along those lines). Sure, people don't like this sort of move, and it's poor etiquette, but it did generate some +EV for me by tilting a competent player and building up a fish's stack and, in all honesty, I would do this everytime the opportunity came up as long as I thought I could get away with it. Would you do the same? Is there a better way of acheiving the same end without possibly incurring punishment from the floor, something that could be used in a poker room even where you weren't familiar with their policies?

Eskaborr · #2 08-17-2007, 02:35 AM

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I believe if you make this a habit the floor will be the comfortable part of the punishment.......

and the boot smashing your face into it will make you think twice about doing it again. You will also be getting about what you deserve.

JEFF or DAD · #3 08-17-2007, 02:41 AM

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First of all, I don't know what forum this should go in, so if it needs to be moved, go for it, but it happened in a 10/20 live NL game, so I'm putting it here. In the hand, the three relevant players are me, villain, and a big fish. I folded preflop, but, being a diligent poker player, paid attention to the hand.

The fish raised preflop, villain called on the SB, and they were HU on the flop. Villain check-called two streets then check-raised all-in on the river. I'm sorry I don't recall the stacks, but it turns out that isn't really important here. What is important is that I knew the villain was bluffing, or at least I was 90% sure, as I'd played with him several times and had a pretty good read on what his moves meant. So I just said out loud to the fish, "He's bluffing; I'd call it." After some deliberation, fish did just that, and won the pot. Needless to say, this did not go over well with the villain, who proceded to call over the floor and make his case furiously. I got a warning and agreed to not do it again, but after that, the fish had a bigger stack and the villain, who was a competent player (probably breakeven) went on tilt for the better part of an hour.

I realized that it was this poker room's policy to just issue warnings, warnings that never have teeth, and warnings that don't really accrue to an eventual refusal to let you play (assuming you don't get way out of line like sock the shift manager in the jaw or something along those lines). Sure, people don't like this sort of move, and it's poor etiquette, but it did generate some +EV for me by tilting a competent player and building up a fish's stack and, in all honesty, I would do this everytime the opportunity came up as long as I thought I could get away with it. Would you do the same? Is there a better way of acheiving the same end without possibly incurring punishment from the floor, something that could be used in a poker room even where you weren't familiar with their policies?

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wow u are a huge douche. i never fight ppl, but i think if i was villain id climb over the table and just punch u right in the nose until u stopped moving

spino1i · #4 08-17-2007, 02:57 AM

Wow i hope i never have to play with you

Nick Rivers · #5 08-17-2007, 03:02 AM

I don't care if poker players at the table like me. I just want the money. Yes, you're right that villain was mad, and nearly any villain in his position would have been, but the fish wasn't mad.

Oki-Oki · #6 08-17-2007, 03:10 AM

Uh yeah do this at the wrong table or to the wrong person and your gonna get [censored] up. I know that sounds like an over-reaction but in all honesty if you continue this you deserve it.

Equal · #7 08-17-2007, 03:19 AM

If you did this to me I wouldnt say a word, but make sure I follow you into the parking lot for a discussion. Or the bathroom. Somewhere where there's no cameras.

bizzym00 · #8 08-17-2007, 03:22 AM

one time i was playing a friendly game in my friends basement with a couple of other guys and my friend (who is stupid) had a straight but didnt know and almost folded on the river to a bet but i kindly whispered to him what he had...anyways he won and his opponent proceeded to pull a knife out of his pocket SCARY

Nick Rivers · #9 08-17-2007, 03:43 AM

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and the boot smashing your face into it will make you think twice about doing it again. You will also be getting about what you deserve.

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Uh yeah do this at the wrong table or to the wrong person and your gonna get [censored] up. I know that sounds like an over-reaction but in all honesty if you continue this you deserve it.

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If you did this to me I wouldnt say a word, but make sure I follow you into the parking lot for a discussion. Or the bathroom. Somewhere where there's no cameras.

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I really appreciate all of the internet tough-guyism coming out in this thread, but I have yet to have my ass kicked by a poker player and I don't think it's ever going to happen. Would I pull this move if Floyd Mayweather Jr. were the villain? No, of course not. Would I pull this move if some poker geek with a math degree who complains about girl troubles on BBV4Life were the villain? You bet.

Oki-Oki · #10 08-17-2007, 04:13 AM

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and the boot smashing your face into it will make you think twice about doing it again. You will also be getting about what you deserve.

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Uh yeah do this at the wrong table or to the wrong person and your gonna get [censored] up. I know that sounds like an over-reaction but in all honesty if you continue this you deserve it.

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If you did this to me I wouldnt say a word, but make sure I follow you into the parking lot for a discussion. Or the bathroom. Somewhere where there's no cameras.

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I really appreciate all of the internet tough-guyism coming out in this thread, but I have yet to have my ass kicked by a poker player and I don't think it's ever going to happen. Would I pull this move if Floyd Mayweather Jr. were the villain? No, of course not. Would I pull this move if some poker geek with a math degree who complains about girl troubles on BBV4Life were the villain? You bet.

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Honestly I wasnt going for the internet tough guy approach, but I have played in some games with some pretty rough ppl. And I was just commenting that if you continue this behaviour the wrong person might just take offence.

I dont necessarily believe that this would happen to you but you have to admit that there is atleast a chance of it happening. And if it does, you deserve it was my point.