Dear Stars: Allow Datamining

[BluffTHIS!]

Dear Stars:

1) DON'T allow data-mining;

2) Take more effective measures to prevent data-mining;

3) Take *pro-active* measures to detect and eliminate bot accounts;

4) Get rid of HUDs;

5) Reduce the number of tables that can be played to 4-6.

[BadLieutenant]

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Dear Stars:

1) DON'T allow data-mining;

2) Take more effective measures to prevent data-mining;

3) Take *pro-active* measures to detect and eliminate bot accounts;

4)Get rid of HUDs;

5)Reduce the number of tables that can be played to 4-6.

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Get rid of HUDs?? reduce nr. of table....this guy is a joke

[BluffTHIS!]

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Dear Stars:

1) DON'T allow data-mining;

2) Take more effective measures to prevent data-mining;

3) Take *pro-active* measures to detect and eliminate bot accounts;

4)Get rid of HUDs;

5)Reduce the number of tables that can be played to 4-6.

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Get rid of HUDs?? reduce nr. of table....this guy is a joke

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Can't win without software aids? Not willing to take the long-term view to keep the games good instead of skinning the sheep faster than they can be replaced?? . . . this guy is a JOKE!

[BlackRain]

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Dear Stars:

1) DON'T allow data-mining;

2) Take more effective measures to prevent data-mining;

3) Take *pro-active* measures to detect and eliminate bot accounts;

4)Get rid of HUDs;

5)Reduce the number of tables that can be played to 4-6.

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Get rid of HUDs?? reduce nr. of table....this guy is a joke

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Can't win without software aids? Not willing to take the long-term view to keep the games good instead of skinning the sheep faster than they can be replaced?? . . . this guy is a JOKE!

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I agree with all of your points except #5 regarding the number of tables. Sites should allow unlimited tables so long as the user can competently play that amount (i.e., not timing out constantly). Maybe simply lessen the timebanks and the incompetent 12 tablers will be forced to go back to 6.

It really is sickening to me, the overwhelming voice of 2+2 hudbot users, who just want to rape and pillage these games for everything they are worth right now with no vision to the long term sustainabilty of the game.

The fish inevitably find out. Some hudbot regs end up talking about how so and so is 18/14/3 etc and the fish asks what they are talking about. They don't want to know that people are tracking their every move. They don't want to find out that people have independent datamining PC's running 24/7 to find out every detail about there play. And they don't want to play a hand of poker once every 2 minutes cuz 4 hudbot users are timing out every decision.

The fish want a smooth friendly experience where they get to feel like they have just as good a chance at winning as anybody else. And they will keep coming back for more. And good players will keep fleecing them time and time again.
And it won't end in 4 months or 6 months or a year. It will keep happening for the next decade and beyond (assuming no legal hurdles).

BT, thanks for being a voice of reason. Wish there were a few more of them around here.

[kdog]

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BT, thanks for being a voice of reason. Wish there were a few more of them around here.

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[TheTid]

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Dear Stars:

1) DON'T allow data-mining;

2) Take more effective measures to prevent data-mining;

3) Take *pro-active* measures to detect and eliminate bot accounts;

4)Get rid of HUDs;

5)Reduce the number of tables that can be played to 4-6.

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Get rid of HUDs?? reduce nr. of table....this guy is a joke

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Obviousely you are so incompetant that you cant be a winning player w/o your bot, just like the others who are writing different programs.

[ipitythefool]

I am all for Stars opening up to datamining. Not only for making sure the guard is at post but IMO it levels the field for everyone to do it if they wanted to instead of others having the advantage of doing it quietly. I don't mine stars, but that's because I'm not one for violating rules and putting my funds at risk, but i would certainly start if it was allowed.

Also, using a HUD is a choice. Use it or don't. I see it as another skill to learning the game of poker and IMO gives you a better understanding of the game. Most players don't use it effectively anyway. Does it give an advantage? Sure, but then again, that's where you choose to use it or not. In golf you have the advantage of using a tee but you have the choice of waving that advantage if you want to hit your driver off the deck all the time. In the end its simply more input for HUMAN to make choices, it doesn't tell you what to do by any means. It's like having the skills to notice the many weak/strong tells in live play, now you have an extra advantage on a player others don't, use it or don't but it's certainly not cheating.

Lastly, it seems retarded for stars to ban HUDs or mining if they are going to allow "Decision Support software" which is basically a bot that tells you what to do. This is the real change that needs to be seen in the T&Cs. The fact that this is allowed is shocking and pressure should be put on them to change that.

[traffic1234]

please ignore my ignorance, but i didnt even know what HUD was until i googled it just now. what kind of HUD do most people use? do all of the pros use them?

[BGnight]

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Dear Stars:

1) DON'T allow data-mining;

2) Take more effective measures to prevent data-mining;

3) Take *pro-active* measures to detect and eliminate bot accounts;

4) Get rid of HUDs;

5) Reduce the number of tables that can be played to 4-6.

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QFT except for #5. The # of tables one could play should be debated more.

I use my HUD like a crutch, but would gladly give it up no one was allowed to use them.

[sethypooh21]

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Dear Stars:

1) DON'T allow data-mining;

2) Take more effective measures to prevent data-mining;

3) Take *pro-active* measures to detect and eliminate bot accounts;

4) Get rid of HUDs;

5) Reduce the number of tables that can be played to 4-6.

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QFT except for #5. The # of tables one could play should be debated more.

I use my HUD like a crutch, but would gladly give it up no one was allowed to use them.

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I tend to agree - between PT and the notes, the effect of no HUD would be negligible anyway (though I probably would have to shave 1-2 tables *shrugs*). I mean I don't want them to be banned, but it wouldn't be the worst thing...

Now, banning poker tracker? Ban worthy suggestion [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]