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Old 10-05-2007, 08:34 AM
skibbel skibbel is offline
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Default Re: 200 NL : I have top 2 he shoves

Ya without Reads i wouldn't give him much credit for the flush.
I mean he can't have pair+Fd at this board.
I'd stack off to a flush here all the time...
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:47 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL : I have top 2 he shoves

$19+ on flop, $50+ on turn, shove river yourself
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Old 10-05-2007, 09:05 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL : I have top 2 he shoves

you bet a bit small on the flop. i'd make it $18 at least

turn is fine

river is crappy. as played fold. i don't really know what you can do differently. the stack sizes are awkward so you can't bet fold really. i doubt this guy is gonna bluff the river he would check behind alot. i think a c/f is the only option
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Old 10-05-2007, 09:08 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL : I have top 2 he shoves

as played c/f river, but you should've jammed another $15 or so in there prior so you can shove and get called by worse.
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Old 10-05-2007, 09:15 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL : I have top 2 he shoves

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Ya without Reads i wouldn't give him much credit for the flush.
I mean he can't have pair+Fd at this board.
I'd stack off to a flush here all the time...


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19/8/1

IMO he very seldom has another holding than flush here.
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Old 10-05-2007, 11:04 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL : I have top 2 he shoves

something I don't get is how does it become a shove from a ch/fold if I bet more on flop ?
Could you explain the reasoning plz
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Old 10-05-2007, 11:13 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL : I have top 2 he shoves

Pot the flop; pot the turn.

As played fold the river.
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Old 10-05-2007, 11:28 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL : I have top 2 he shoves

He probably has QJ or JT or QT of diamonds.
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Old 10-05-2007, 11:45 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL : I have top 2 he shoves

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something I don't get is how does it become a shove from a ch/fold if I bet more on flop ?
Could you explain the reasoning plz

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If he calls pot on flop and pot on turn, his range turns from draws to made hands. Also the pot size on the river will make it more likely he will call with a weaker made hand after we shove.

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Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $194
SB: $111.20
BB: $159.40
Hero (UTG): $205
MP: $321.45
CO: $194.60

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, MP folds, CO calls $7, BTN calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($24) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $20</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $20

Turn: ($64) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $60</font>, BTN calls $60

River: ($184) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero shoves for $107. Villain will not fold AQ.

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It changes the whole dynamic of the hand. Not sure I would play it like that, since it seems fairly transparent if you start randomly potting flops and turns whenever you wanna get all in. If you don't think villains will notice, by all means though.
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Old 10-05-2007, 12:08 PM
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Default Re: 200 NL : I have top 2 he shoves

OK I get it.
btw villain had AJ no diamonds and for some reason decided to turn his hand with some showdown value into a bluff.
I figured he would dump his naked diamond draw to my turn bet that's why I called
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