***Official SNF PHI/NE thread***

[kyro]

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I agree with you here, but I just think the Pats are too good, or moreso the opposing coaches of the teams they have played, are too good to have overlooked the basic gameplan of punch randy in the mouth and pressure brady. Just like when the Colts lost to the chargers in the midst of their perfect season run, and it was claimed this provided the blueprint, my feeling was the Colts just didn't show up with the hammer ready to play. This was my feeling tonite with the Pats, that it wasn't so much the gameplan, as Feeley putting up a Montana performance till it was Montana-time, and the Pats lineman getting pushed around all night. But the Eagles ran their plan tonite to perfection, and it seems that it will be extremely difficult for any other team to run that plan with the same success.

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Two completely different people are posting under this account, because this person is actually making sense.

[hoyasnaxa]

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Eagles get destroyed if McNabb starts this game.

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See I can't take much stock in this because you're terribly biased against McNabb.

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What do you think? I know that Feeley showed more emotion on 1 play then McNabb has all year. As I said earlier, McNabb would have been joking with the Pats defenders as the eagles are down by 35, then pulled himself out with some fingernail tweak or something.

[bustowithnobra]

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Ok, so if those 2 onside kicks hadnt been recovered by the eagles, and none of those trick plays worked, than I am assuming by you the score would have still been a 3 point differential?

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First of all, I saw one onside kick, so either I completely missed one or you saw an extra one that I didn't see. Second of all, I saw one flea flicker, and that was it. What other trick plays are you talking about?

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You forgot planning for McNabb instead of Feeley also. And are you saying that it wouldn't be a 3 point difference, which was my question. In close games decided by 3 points, yes 2-3 plays make a very big difference. I didn't discredit anything that the Eagles did tonite, or anything the patriots didn't do for the loss, all I said that is that Pittsburgh would have to run really well to execute the same gameplan as the eagles and come out with a victory.

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Thanks for avoiding my point which shows you didn't even watch the game and are making up stuff about onside kicks and trickery.

The Eagles didn't score on the onside kick. They gained very little with their "trickery", and McNabb is a better QB than Feeley, and probably would have performed about the same, maybe a little worse if you account for game planning.

So no, I don't think all that was the only reason the Eagles kept it close. I think it's because they played as well as New England did.

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The original quote had to do with gameplanning. I said that it would take a lot for the Steelers to execute the same gameplan- trick plays, onside kicks- basically balls out (which I thought would be inferred) for the Steelers to win. Which then you replied that *sigh it had nothing to do with the Pats getting no pressure and the Eagles outgaining them in yards* My point was that you cannot execute the same gameplan as the eagles tonite, and expect to run it with the same frequency of success. The O-line of the Steelers is not that great, neither is their d-line, and rothelsberger isnt a gunslinger. All I said, is that the Steelers would have to do a lot of things THAT THE PATRIOTS WOULD NOT EXPECT, AND DO THEM WELL, in order to win. If you had asked me to clarify my point instead of calling me an idiot and responding non-reactively to the argument, than this discussion would not have gotten this far.

[lastchance]

One of the things that's good about Feeley over McNabb is that he definitely handled the pressure well.

Pokerfink, who I think is a fairly smart Eagles fan said something about McNabb making too many sacks (which is probably good).

Of course, McNabb doesn't throw the 2nd INT to Samuel like that and might connect on a few deep balls, but it wouldn't surprise me to think that Feeley was the better matchup here against the Patriots.

[TheNoodleMan]

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Just like when the Colts lost to the chargers in the midst of their perfect season run, and it was claimed this provided the blueprint, my feeling was the Colts just didn't show up with the hammer ready to play.

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The Colts lost in the playoffs when the Steelers showed up with the same 3-4 defense and got relentless pressure with their OLBs. If ever there were a case for a blueprint, that was it.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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Just like when the Colts lost to the chargers in the midst of their perfect season run, and it was claimed this provided the blueprint, my feeling was the Colts just didn't show up with the hammer ready to play.

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The Colts lost in the playoffs when the Steelers showed up with the same 3-4 defense and got relentless pressure with their OLBs. If ever there were a case for a blueprint, that was it.

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well, those teams happen to play similar styles. it's not like the Steelers made a radical change

[kyro]

No, what you said was is

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Yeah if, the steelers run every trick play in the book to perfection, munch surprise off-side kicks, and a different Q comes in than is originally gameplanned for. But I wouldnt discount it.

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Which suggests the only reason Philly got close was by running all the trick plays in the book (I counted two), recovering two onside kicks (I counted one, which the eagles didn't score on), and AJ Feeley playing instead of McNabb, (which others have touched on, was a definite possibility all week).

You NEVER mentioned anything about the Eagles playing well on both sides of the ball.

[Pudge714]

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BTW, Philly fans are something else. Their team just played one of the most dominant teams of all time as well as anybody has this year with a backup QB and they have found nothing good to say, only criticism of the coaches and starting QB. You guys are awesome.

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kyro,
You don't get it he threw a pick because Andy Reid is a horrible play caller and sells drugs to his kids.
Edit: This may change by next week.

[dcb777]

Donavan McNabb may the most overrated QB in the history of the NFL.

[kyro]

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Donavan McNabb may the most overrated QB in the history of the NFL.

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Given the posts here, I'd say he's closer to being underrated than overrated.

Then again, I took him in the third round of my fantasy draft so I know I overrate him.