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Old 09-27-2007, 01:31 AM
NinaWilliams NinaWilliams is offline
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Default Passive KK vs lag

Villain is 40/30 or something stupid like that. I have a note that he fastplays trips. He's also made retarded iso raises with like 67o

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO folds, Button calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5.5SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 8.75BB
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:33 AM
ILOVEPOKER929 ILOVEPOKER929 is offline
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Default Re: Passive KK vs lag

I like every street.
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:47 AM
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Default Re: Passive KK vs lag

Why not raise the turn?
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:51 AM
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Default Re: Passive KK vs lag

I tink ish good. He's prolly gonna 3 barrel a draw, don't wanna blow him off a bluff, he'll valuebet 7x all the way most of the time unless that particular river comes, but we want to induce bluffs and not get raised by 9x so check/call looks g00t.
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: Passive KK vs lag

More action! (I like a turn c/r.)
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Old 09-27-2007, 03:15 AM
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Default Re: Passive KK vs lag

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More action! (I like a turn c/r.)

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I am c/r'ing the turn 100%.

Cmon guys. He is a retard and will call down with A3.
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Old 09-27-2007, 03:34 AM
ILOVEPOKER929 ILOVEPOKER929 is offline
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Default Re: Passive KK vs lag

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More action! (I like a turn c/r.)

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I am c/r'ing the turn 100%.

Cmon guys. He is a retard and will call down with A3.

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Im not saying check/raising the turn is wrong. Im certain this position is defensible. I just like calling down in this spot better. I will list why I like my passive line just so others know my thought process here.

1) Villain can have trips here since he likes to fastplay monsters. Calling down minimizes our loss.

2) If we check/raise the turn and get 3bet, nobody here is folding including me and thats not a position I wanna be in.

3) If the villain has nothing theres a good chance he'll bluff every street. Calling down in this scenario maximizes our gain.

4) If the villain has a pair, he'll likely bet every street due to the fact that 90% of the time we will have Ace high here. So we dont lose much by not taking an aggressive line in this scenario.

5) Probably not important in a vacuum but since I will have ace high here 90% of the time, I like the fact that I can sometimes surprise my opponent with an overpair.

Overall I think the turn play is close so I dont really worry about these kind of situations. There are some factors supporting a calldown and there are some factors supporting a more aggressive line. It is difficult for me to quantify which factors outweigh which.
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Old 09-27-2007, 03:50 AM
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Default Re: Passive KK vs lag

thoughts on c/r-ing a blank river?
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Old 09-27-2007, 04:21 AM
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thoughts on c/r-ing a blank river?

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Since I think we'll be more than a 2-1 favorite on the river against the villain's calling range. Check/raising a blank river has to be better than calling. So my other post should be revised. The ace on the river in the actual hand distracted me from considering this scenario. I think waiting to check/raise a blank river is better than check/raising the turn cuz we get max value from nothing hands in the former scenario.
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