200NL QQ(BB) vs 2 limpers

[Toretto]

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $88.55
Hero (BB): $213.40
UTG: $279.85
CO: $217.50
BTN: $252.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, BTN calls $2.00, SB calls $1.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12.00</font>, BTN calls $10.00, SB calls $10.00

Flop: ($36) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $26.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $64.00</font>, 2 folds

Pot Size: $126.00

Hi

BTN is usualy TAG,[20/13, 3.1 AF] so i wondered what he was limping otb, SB is huge fish, [70/2]

my image was like 26/20 at this moment and i have been donating well to the fish, like 1/2 buy in down

i think i cant do nothing but fold with this action right?

[bighead9]

push

[Toretto]

for real? on what hand do you put him?

[ttgirl]

what hand do you put him on? combo draw is most likely. you said hes tag so it shouldnt be 99, 1010, kk, or aa. if he has a set so be it, but you have a blocker diamond in your hand which gives you better equity against his calling range, and this boards way too drawy to fold an overpair on, especially when his range of hands is narrowed to a specific degree. i expect to see air, adxd, combo draws, sometimes 2 pairs, and a very rare 555, as well as things that youre ahead of like ace 10 etcetera.

[Marwan]

tag's don't limp pairs OTB too often, why would he limp 99 or 10-10 on the button, same goes for 5-5. You beat basically everything and this is a draw a lot of the time.. his limping on the button is pretty bad, if I had to guess he probably knows that BB doesn't fold anything and wanted to see a flop with a SC/Gapper type hand, maybe Ace small of diamonds

Push

[Toretto]

hm ok thanks, this makes all sense so push should be right most of the time
just had a bad feeling, that he was limping sth strong for a trap beacuse thats really so unlikely

[shpanko]

Looks like T9, combo draw, or bare flush draw. I think he never has 99/TT here. I could see a bad TAG show up with KK+ sometimes but I think I'm shoving this flop.

However this hand, and many like it, show that 2p2'ers believe that unknowns and non-2p2'ers play draws/combo draws really hard. Which isn't always the case. FGators made this point a few days ago and I definitely think it has merit.

I believe a raise on this kind of flop by an unknown is going to be air/top pair a lot more than a combo draw. When villains have position they usually just call with draws, even good combo draws. I suppose this guy has a high AF so this point is a bit moot for this hand. But it's a good thing to remember that a lot of villains aren't going to play draws or combo draws hard, so when you get raised by a player that isn't too aggro I think their range will be polarized towards strong hands and bluffs more often that draws.