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#1601
10-13-2007, 01:04 PM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
hey Jb,
I think you played it well on the flop and turn. River is an easy fold though, whenever you see people over-bet the pot on the river its usually indicative of a very strong hand. Basically the bad player doesn't know how to build a pot, and he compensates for this by making a ridicules bet on the river. This same thing generally applies when he bets full or near pot on the river. 
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#1602
10-13-2007, 01:14 PM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
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[ QUOTE ] I continue on the turn for the same reason I would not double barrel this turn. [/ QUOTE ] Devin, can you clarify this sentence for me? Are you saying bet the turn since he checked but had he raised don't reraise? [/ QUOTE ] the turn blanked, so whatever he called the flop with, he's probably calling the turn with. which is why it would be a bad idea to fire 2 with air, but a good idea to value bet a hand like JJ.
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#1603
10-13-2007, 01:34 PM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
DrJeckyl
44 hand: Hugely easy checkfold flop. You might be winning, but your hand will not improve and can't take the pressure that will be laid on it. It's impossible for you to be a huge fave against him and easy to be a massive underdog. This is a situation where you just have to recognise you are out of position and can't fight him. AK hand: Reraise allin on flop, board is too drawish to mess around. KK hand: Looks fine. I imagine you got beaten by a ten, but there's not a lot you can do. Versus an aggressive player I might checkraise allin on the turn (or check call the river) instead. Jbrochu JJ hand: Definitely value bet the river. I like your line, it's very standard for me in this spot. I would reraise pf versus some opponents though. A7dd hand: You should check fold the turn. You have a non-improving hand and you aren't winning enough to call both this bet and the river bet, which they'll make whether they're bluffing or not. My experience is that with a hand like QJ, people will mostly check behind on the turn. Sometimes you'll be folding to a hand like that, but not as often as they'll have something like AT or (worse still) AJ. Or they'll have T9s and you'll either hit your 7 on the river and lose tons or not hit and check fold to their bluff.
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#1604
10-13-2007, 01:36 PM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I continue on the turn for the same reason I would not double barrel this turn. [/ QUOTE ] Devin, can you clarify this sentence for me? Are you saying bet the turn since he checked but had he raised don't reraise? [/ QUOTE ] the turn blanked, so whatever he called the flop with, he's probably calling the turn with. which is why it would be a bad idea to fire 2 with air, but a good idea to value bet a hand like JJ. [/ QUOTE ] I strongly disagree with this. Often people call the flop to see whether you'll fire again on the turn. I'd be more inclined to bet this turn with a bluff than with JJ. The problem with betting with JJ is that there's no chance you're getting three streets of value out of a worse hand, so you'll just have to check the river anyway. The only downside to checking the turn is the free card, which is more than compensated by having hands pay off the river which would have folded the turn.
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#1605
10-13-2007, 01:56 PM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I continue on the turn for the same reason I would not double barrel this turn. [/ QUOTE ] Devin, can you clarify this sentence for me? Are you saying bet the turn since he checked but had he raised don't reraise? [/ QUOTE ] the turn blanked, so whatever he called the flop with, he's probably calling the turn with. which is why it would be a bad idea to fire 2 with air, but a good idea to value bet a hand like JJ. [/ QUOTE ] I strongly disagree with this. Often people call the flop to see whether you'll fire again on the turn. I'd be more inclined to bet this turn with a bluff than with JJ. The problem with betting with JJ is that there's no chance you're getting three streets of value out of a worse hand, so you'll just have to check the river anyway. The only downside to checking the turn is the free card, which is more than compensated by having hands pay off the river which would have folded the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Devin, Wiggs, ChrisV - ty. Even though there is some disagreement the insight on how you think about the hand was instructive. btw - he called the river with QQ so I just wanted to make sure the vb was good. I'm spending quite a bit of effort working on playing the river better and I think I'm seeing improvement.
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#1606
10-13-2007, 02:32 PM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
Saturday night's alright for fighting. Wtf?
Seat 1: dellarose ( $87.76 ) Seat 5: RVM1 ( $84.05 ) Seat 6: CityCab ( $111.97 ) Seat 8: freezzman ( $20.90 ) Seat 10: Firetribe ( $105.75 ) dellarose posts Small Blind $0.50 RVM1 posts Big Blind $1 CityCab posts Big Blind $1.50 Dealing cards Your cards 8d Td [Firetribe] CityCab checks freezzman folds Firetribe raises $5 dellarose folds RVM1 folds CityCab calls $4 Dealing Flop Ts 5d 2s CityCab bets $11 Firetribe calls $11 Dealing Turn Ts 5d 2s 2h CityCab checks Firetribe checks Dealing River Ts 5d 2s 2h Jh CityCab goes All-in $95.47 Firetribe folds
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#1607
10-13-2007, 02:50 PM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
Turn check-raiser is 34/10/8 over 50 hands. The other one is 51/7 showdown monkey.
Seat 1: dellarose ( $102.06 ) Seat 3: lionww ( $100.50 ) Seat 6: CityCab ( $133.17 ) Seat 8: wii23and ( $100.35 ) Seat 10: Firetribe ( $162.05 ) Firetribe posts Small Blind $0.50 dellarose posts Big Blind $1 Dealing cards Your cards Ad Kh [Firetribe] lionww calls $1 CityCab calls $1 wii23and folds Firetribe raises $5.50 dellarose folds lionww calls $5 CityCab calls $5 Dealing Flop 6s Js 2h Firetribe checks lionww checks CityCab checks Dealing Turn 6s Js 2h As Firetribe bets $12 lionww raises $40 CityCab folds Firetribe?
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#1608
10-13-2007, 06:01 PM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
Villain is 22/15/1.69 in well over 500 hands. I doubt he thinks my reraise is air, but you never know.
Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter CO: $15.20 Hero (BTN): $62.80 SB: $58.45 BB: $70.10 UTG: $82.45 Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.05</font>, SB calls $0.90, BB folds Flop: ($2.40) 8  9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)<font color="red">SB bets $2.40</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $9.60</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $57.40 and is All-In</font>, Hero ?
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#1609
10-13-2007, 06:08 PM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
Ok I manually converted these two:
Villain seems out of control over 14 hands [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] He timed out and posted BB+SB. Seat 1: dellarose ( $87.76 ) Seat 5: RVM1 ( $84.05 ) Seat 6: CityCab ( $111.97 ) Seat 8: freezzman ( $20.90 ) Seat 10: Firetribe ( $105.75 ) dellarose posts Small Blind $0.50 RVM1 posts Big Blind $1 CityCab posts Big Blind $1.50 Dealing cards Your cards 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [Firetribe] CityCab checks freezzman folds Firetribe raises $5 dellarose folds RVM1 folds CityCab calls $4 Dealing Flop T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] CityCab bets $11 Firetribe calls $11 Dealing Turn 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] CityCab checks Firetribe checks Dealing River J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] CityCab goes All-in $95.47 Firetribe folds Turn check-raiser is 34/10/8 over 50 hands. The other one is 51/7 showdown monkey. Seat 1: dellarose ( $102.06 ) Seat 3: lionww ( $100.50 ) Seat 6: CityCab ( $133.17 ) Seat 8: wii23and ( $100.35 ) Seat 10: Firetribe ( $162.05 ) Firetribe posts Small Blind $0.50 dellarose posts Big Blind $1 Dealing cards Your cards A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [Firetribe] lionww calls $1 CityCab calls $1 wii23and folds Firetribe raises $5.50 dellarose folds lionww calls $5 CityCab calls $5 Dealing Flop 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Firetribe checks lionww checks CityCab checks Dealing Turn A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Firetribe bets $12 lionww raises $40 CityCab folds Firetribe?
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#1610
10-13-2007, 06:12 PM
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Re: $25NL Nut flush draw vs action
Cha,
No matter what he has you are close to getting odds. Throw in even a slight chance of a draw or two pair or overpair and it's a clear call. IOW, clear call.
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