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Old 09-25-2007, 01:53 AM
Lethe Lethe is offline
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Default Horrible turn card

Villain is loose and aggro playing probably 80% of his hands. He is not afraid to bluff.

4 limpers to me in the HJ, I call with 43s. CO, Button, and SB call, Villain checks his option in the BB

Flop (9sb): A33r
SB checks, Villain bets, 1 caller, I raise, folded to villain who calls, other guy folds.

Turn (6.5bb): A
Villain checks, I check.

River: T
Villain bets, Hero ??

Is this a ridiculously super standard call against this villain?
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Old 09-25-2007, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: Horrible turn card

Why did you check that turn card? Just wondering what your thoughts were there.
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Old 09-25-2007, 02:29 AM
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Default Re: Horrible turn card

You know, the action should probably be stopped on the turn because really that's where the decision comes.

I figured that two bad things can happen by betting the turn. a) I could easily get c/r'd here, sometimes when he has an A, and sometimes when he has air, and I really don't want to have to lay my hand down. b) he folds when I'm lightyears ahead of him. I also figured he might try bluffing the river if I checked through the turn, allowing me to both show my hand down and still get in one big bet.
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:48 AM
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Default Re: Horrible turn card

fold pf

turn check is perfect

now call the river
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:13 AM
Niediam Niediam is offline
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Default Re: Horrible turn card

Preflop: SSH says to fold in MP3 but call in the CO. Shrug.

Flop: Great

Turn/River: If you really think that villian is going to fold a ton this line is ok but your read really makes me think he is going to call down with hands like 66 and KT.
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Old 09-25-2007, 07:17 AM
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Default Re: Horrible turn card

your hand is really awful. I like folding it preflop.

obv payoff on river
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Old 09-25-2007, 07:55 AM
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Default Re: Horrible turn card

[ QUOTE ]
fold pf

turn check is perfect

now call the river

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree with the latter two comments. However, I don't think overlimping a gaggle of limpers with 43s in the HJ or beyond is terrible.
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Old 09-25-2007, 08:06 AM
SNOWBALL SNOWBALL is offline
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It looks like our hand is ok preflop actually. Babar, what's your reasoning?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

4,195,827 games 36.578 secs 114,709 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 15.218% 13.97% 01.25% 586090 52426.08 { TT-55, A8s-A2s, KJs-K5s, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, AJo-A7o, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
Hand 1: 14.825% 13.55% 01.28% 568504 53507.08 { 99-55, ATs-A2s, K9s-K5s, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, AJo-A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
Hand 2: 15.121% 13.85% 01.27% 581044 53401.92 { 99-55, ATs-A2s, KJs-K5s, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, AJo-A7o, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
Hand 3: 15.065% 13.80% 01.27% 578868 53242.17 { 99-55, ATs-A2s, KTs-K5s, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, AJo-A7o, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
Hand 4: 15.625% 15.15% 00.48% 635565 20032.67 { 43s }
Hand 5: 12.305% 11.31% 00.99% 474676 41610.67 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J2o+, T2o+, 93o+, 84o+, 74o+, 64o+, 53o+ }
Hand 6: 11.842% 10.86% 00.99% 455491 41368.42 { random }
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Old 09-25-2007, 09:37 AM
Rico Suave Rico Suave is offline
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Default Re: Horrible turn card

I am a frickin' rock, and I would limp preflop.

Turn check/river call is perfect.

--Rico
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Old 09-25-2007, 11:16 AM
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Default Re: Horrible turn card

Guess I am the only one who likes a turn bet here. Maybe I'm coming down with something?
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