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Re: (stud8) what hands do you defend against steals with?
The answer to your question will be very dependent on the ante and bring-in structure, as well as the stats you are using to ID the steal.
Are we assuming it will be heads up? |
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Re: (stud8) what hands do you defend against steals with?
Ah, good point.
I play on pokerstars and full tilt. Pokerstars is .1sb ante with .5sb bringin. I'm getting terrific odds to call. There is .8sb in antes, .5sb BI, 1sb bet for a total of 2.3sb .5sb so I'm getting 4.6:1 to call Full tilt is .2sb ante with a varying bringing, but usually around .25sb. So there is 1.6sb + .25sb + 1sb bet = 2.85 and I have to call .75 so that's 3.8:1 to call Yeah, it'll be heads up - I'm referring to times when someone bets in last to act or 2nd to last to act into a pretty meh up card like 8-J, and I'm last to act in the bringin. This is an auto-bet situation for a lot of people, I do try to note people who never steal but since I play low stakes it doesn't come up thaaat much. If the person is an auto better then obviously the chance it's a steal is 100-vpip. Either it's a high chance, or they play so much crap that I'll want to call pretty widely. |
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Re: (stud8) what hands do you defend against steals with?
i will pretty much call any late position steal with a razz had that is not 872 or similair, small pair small kicker, big pair in the hole, 3 flush if live with 2 babies.
alot of players with play hands like AQ2, which really isn't that bad a play against a steal ev wise its just hard to play. I will usually toss it in the muck. |
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Re: (stud8) what hands do you defend against steals with?
I don't see the point of calling with a razz hand unless it has reasonable straight or flush possibility. I would include one-gappers as reasonable, and 2 flushes as reasonable. Otherwise you're drawing to a chop or will have to fold 4th/5th a lot. People do seem to always call me with 3 low cards. I think I'd rather have any pair or some other high hand only than 3 low cards. I don't have any reasoning to back that up, it justs seems better to me. I've been throwing away small pairs in this spot a lot though.
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Re: (stud8) what hands do you defend against steals with?
Depends on his range which should be a function of pot size.
In the extreme case of a heads up match with standard antes I defend only with legit hands, going as far as throwing away some small split pairs with big kickers. In a full game with a large ante I am undecided but in addition to the above hands I think you should add in some hands like K62 or AK2. Also in the latter situation I would consider reraising any razz hand or better. |
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Re: (stud8) what hands do you defend against steals with?
Small pair - baby -> AAbaby is my prefered, or 2 out of 3 cards under their door card. If its an ace.. its a tough call, since they can show strength with a good board.
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Re: (stud8) what hands do you defend against steals with?
hmm..i guess i mean razz hands without an eight, so 237 being the worst hand. They are much easier to play any other hand your gonna protect your bi with
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Re: (stud8) what hands do you defend against steals with?
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I don't see the point of calling with a razz hand unless it has reasonable straight or flush possibility. [/ QUOTE ] For the chance to freeroll. If you put them on a steal attempt, and you catch either a 4th low, or pair one of your hole cards, you are in a pretty good position to take the pot down on 4th or 5th, or else split at showdown. Is the rake bigger than the antes and bring-in? |
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Re: (stud8) what hands do you defend against steals with?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I don't see the point of calling with a razz hand unless it has reasonable straight or flush possibility. [/ QUOTE ] For the chance to freeroll. If you put them on a steal attempt, and you catch either a 4th low, or pair one of your hole cards, you are in a pretty good position to take the pot down on 4th or 5th, or else split at showdown. [/ QUOTE ] Right but most razz hands don't particularly have scoop potential. [ QUOTE ] Is the rake bigger than the antes and bring-in? [/ QUOTE ] No, I don't think so. But if we split we'll probably chop up about 1.5sb |
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Re: (stud8) what hands do you defend against steals with?
If villain has a low door card and catches low on 4th street, it's going to be hard not to get outplayed if I have a big door card, so if I have something like JJ7, I would rather it be (JJ)7 than (J7)J.
Premium hands for me are high low cards 877, 876 etc., pairs with low door cards, and hand with an A or 8 in the door, and all the good Stud8 hands. Frankly, a lot depends on my history with villain, and my perceived ability to make some money off of him. I don't believe in "defending" in poker (except in some late tourney situations), but I do believe in money-making opportunities. If I think villain is stealing, and I don't have much of a hand, I fold to re-enforce his behavior and get the money when I hold something. |
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