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07-22-2007, 08:56 PM
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Re: The Best Reason Not To Put On Dog Fights
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Its not that dogs might be sentient [/ QUOTE ] There isn't much 'might' about it for experts on the subject. In fact, you have to be extremely biased to think dogs are not sentient. Sure, you can object that we never can be 100% sure they are sentient. But I could make the same point about you. The best reason not to put on dog fights is exactly the same as the best reason not to force human slaves into fighting. 
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07-22-2007, 09:09 PM
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Re: The Best Reason Not To Put On Dog Fights
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[ QUOTE ] Its not that dogs might be sentient [/ QUOTE ] There isn't much 'might' about it for experts on the subject. In fact, you have to be extremely biased to think dogs are not sentient. Sure, you can object that we never can be 100% sure they are sentient. But I could make the same point about you. The best reason not to put on dog fights is exactly the same as the best reason not to force human slaves into fighting. [/ QUOTE ] So how about [censored] fighting? EDIT: LOL.
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07-22-2007, 09:19 PM
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Re: The Best Reason Not To Put On Dog Fights
Your reply is ambiguous. Taking it in one sense, we already have a thread covering that topic. Personally I find it distasteful.
In the sense of 'roosters,' from what I understand chickens are sentient, and actually pretty smart.
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07-22-2007, 09:35 PM
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Re: The Best Reason Not To Put On Dog Fights
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Your reply is ambiguous. Taking it in one sense, we already have a thread covering that topic. Personally I find it distasteful. In the sense of 'roosters,' from what I understand chickens are sentient, and actually pretty smart. [/ QUOTE ] They're a hell of a lot smarter than humans. They'll run around without a head a lot longer than any human I know.
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07-22-2007, 09:44 PM
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Re: The Best Reason Not To Put On Dog Fights
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Your reply is ambiguous. Taking it in one sense, we already have a thread covering that topic. Personally I find it distasteful. In the sense of 'roosters,' from what I understand chickens are sentient, and actually pretty smart. [/ QUOTE ] Haha, nice one. And no, they aren't very smart.
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07-22-2007, 10:16 PM
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Re: The Best Reason Not To Put On Dog Fights
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[ QUOTE ] Your reply is ambiguous. Taking it in one sense, we already have a thread covering that topic. Personally I find it distasteful. In the sense of 'roosters,' from what I understand chickens are sentient, and actually pretty smart. [/ QUOTE ] Haha, nice one. And no, they aren't very smart. [/ QUOTE ] Allow me to retort "Chickens can also grasp other complex mental concepts. For instance, according to Evans, chickens are able to understand that objects still exist even after they are hidden or removed from view. This level of cognition is actually beyond the capacity of small human children.9 Researchers also recently reported that chickens “can anticipate the future and demonstrate self-control, something previously attributed only to humans and other primates.”10 Scientists made this discovery after they observed that when given the option between pecking a button and receiving a small food reward instantly or holding out for 22 seconds in order to receive a larger food reward, chickens in the study demonstrated self-control by holding out for the larger reward over 90 percent of the time."
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07-22-2007, 10:29 PM
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Re: The Best Reason Not To Put On Dog Fights
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Your reply is ambiguous. Taking it in one sense, we already have a thread covering that topic. Personally I find it distasteful. In the sense of 'roosters,' from what I understand chickens are sentient, and actually pretty smart. [/ QUOTE ] Haha, nice one. And no, they aren't very smart. [/ QUOTE ] Allow me to retort "Chickens can also grasp other complex mental concepts. For instance, according to Evans, chickens are able to understand that objects still exist even after they are hidden or removed from view. This level of cognition is actually beyond the capacity of small human children.9 Researchers also recently reported that chickens “can anticipate the future and demonstrate self-control, something previously attributed only to humans and other primates.”10 Scientists made this discovery after they observed that when given the option between pecking a button and receiving a small food reward instantly or holding out for 22 seconds in order to receive a larger food reward, chickens in the study demonstrated self-control by holding out for the larger reward over 90 percent of the time." [/ QUOTE ] Cool.
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#9
07-23-2007, 02:08 PM
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Re: The Best Reason Not To Put On Dog Fights
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Your reply is ambiguous. Taking it in one sense, we already have a thread covering that topic. Personally I find it distasteful. In the sense of 'roosters,' from what I understand chickens are sentient, and actually pretty smart. [/ QUOTE ] Pull that off a George Carlin CD ?
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07-23-2007, 03:41 PM
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Re: The Best Reason Not To Put On Dog Fights
I don't know if that's the most important reason but, other than that, of course DS is correct here. Our actions don't exist in a moral vacuum so, on balance, we should tend not to do things which cause psychological distress (harm) to others. There may be other factors in a given instance which outweigh that interest, of course, just as you have to consider the likelihood and severity of the distress you may cause.
Interestingly, this means that it's more important for Mike Vick to avoid dog fights than for some regular person, since it's likely to cause so much more distress if he gets caught than it normally would (literally a million times more, say).
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