Identifying Player types: A grunch exercise

[Smurph64]

This only works if people grunch this. Don't look at the answers of others first. Answer only those that you use when describing opponents for hand discussions. Add any labels you use that are not listed here.

I am curious to see if we are all on the same page. Please define the following player type descriptions without relying on stats.

LAG
TAG
Calling Station
Loose
Passive
Tight
Aggressive
Maniac
Idiot
Tricky
Rock

Fake example:

Flushie:

Plays any two suited from anywhere for 1 bet and raises any flush draws he has on the flop. Calls down backdoor flush draws for any amount. Ocassionally bluff donks or bluff check/raises a 3 flush that he isn't on when he has a pair.

[Bona]

*Grunched as requested by OP

LAG: Loose aggressive either pre or post flop or both. Generally implying this player will play -EV hands and not just call them but will frequently raise or bet with them. Most frequently used to describe preflop play but can be used to describe post flop as well.

TAG: Tight aggressive. Tends to play +EV situations and raises or bets about twice as often as he calls. Definition does not preclude occassional bluffing or intentional misdirection with a -EV situation but most of his bluffs will be semi bluffs with draws.

Callingstation: One who frequently calls with a hand that is not ahead and does not have proper pot odds. Not an occassional "peel" but a frequent habit.

Loose: Preflop- plays quite a few starting hands that are -EV in tight games. Postflop- plays some marginal, questionable hands, Not as predictably as a calling station but still with some frequency.

Passive: Frequently calls and or calls down with the best hand rather than raising. Or checking in situations where a bet would be +EV.

Tight: Plays only top 15-19% of starting hands preflop and/or requires a +EV situation to continue in a hand post flop.

Aggressive: Bets or raises more than twice as often as he calls.

Maniac: Plays about 40%+ of starting hands hands (FR) or 55+ 6 max. Raises most of the time whether the raise makes sense or not. Not just preflop though also post flop.

Idiot: Too many different categories. I don't use the term or necessarily understand what is implied when I hear it used. This term, along with donkey, moron, fish etc are non specific ad hominems. They may be most often used by idiots [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Tricky: I usually think this is used to imply relatively frequent non standard betting lines used for the purpose of misdirection. More often -EV than +EV.

Rock: Plays top 15% of starting hand or fewer. Seldom raises preflop (doesn't think he has a hand yet) And/or plays fit or fold post flop.

Weak Tight: Many "rocks" fall in this category. These folks are relatively easy to bet off of a winning hand in close situations.

[Smurph64]

Excellent answers Bona thanks for doing this. I have some comments but would love to hear others first I hope others do this.

Of course if they do grunch this they won't know what I am saying here but just in case someone wants to go and try without grunching, I'll wait.

[bellatrix]

Ok, here goes the grunch. I'm glad I sometimes play with my Mac and don't have any PT/PAHUD running and I make notes on play myself

LAG: Oh my beloved LAGtard. You love to "play the person" not the cards, you raise any two cards. Your aggressive behaviour pays off often, as you'll check-raise a bluff sometime. Eventually I'll just call you down. You'll accuse me of being a calling station... I actually have respect for these players. If I see somebody betting aggressively and then showing down J9s for second pair, this will be my LAG

TAG: These are guys where I constantly see good cards being shown at SD. I see them bet their draws favorably and sometimes a bit of intelligent play (good c/r, hardly slowplaying). I almost never see them cc and see their ranges go down with position. Without PT, though, the true TAG is difficult for me to spot. I just make a mental note of good play.

Calling Station: Me bet, you call. I got TPTK, you BPBK, you don't care, you call, you call, you call. Most of the time, you'll limp into every pot. If you're behind me, you'll cold call, any K9 or so. Sometimes you'll win a huge pot off me, because you hit your 3 outer, congrats!

Loose: Oh, you're in the pot again... lol. Well, any two cards can win, right? I actually don't just go with loose, because I still need to go deeper (LAG,maniac, etc.)

Passive: I don't write this one that much. It would go under calling station.

Tight: What, wait? Who's that? Oh that guy who's been sitting opposite the table. Was he here 50 hands ago (checks). Yes he was. Strange, never seen him before with me in a pot. If something like this happens, the guys is tight.

Aggressive: I couple this one with some other aspect, but usually in my book this will mean aggressive post flop. I will call him down with weaker that usual showings on the river.

Maniac: Raise, raise, raise. I don't think this guy knows any other word. 62o, raise it up. This one is different from the LAG, in that the LAG stays away even from those crappy cards. This guy... not so much. Other than that, pretty LAG.

Idiot: I usually reserve this category for bad beats. I know I should treat every fish the same, but that's just how I go. If somebody goes runner runner straight on me with 93o and he's betting all the way. Sorry, that's an idiot.

Tricky: Raise pf, check pf often. Loves to c/r on turn. Exactly opposite behaviour. If he's got something good, I guess you'll find out on the river. If he's got garbage, he's betting on the flop and getting out on the turn.

Rock: I don't see these guys that often at lower stakes. You know, the ones which limp with AQs, because they'll likely run into pocket Kings or so. They'll coldcall QQ, becasue the other guy has AA and so on. But then something happens. Post-flop, this guy wakes up and takes charge, bets on slim favorable draws and just plays scaringly.

These tendencies I note also for live play. I have noticed that especially the LAG goes up at games between 6/12 and 20/40. Rocks tend to be older people, who just sit their time out in the casino. Maniacs might be drinking.

[McNeese72]

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This only works if people grunch this. Don't look at the answers of others first. Answer only those that you use when describing opponents for hand discussions. Add any labels you use that are not listed here.

I am curious to see if we are all on the same page. Please define the following player type descriptions without relying on stats.

LAG
TAG
Calling Station
Loose
Passive
Tight
Aggressive
Maniac
Idiot
Tricky
Rock

Fake example:

Flushie:

Plays any two suited from anywhere for 1 bet and raises any flush draws he has on the flop. Calls down backdoor flush draws for any amount. Ocassionally bluff donks or bluff check/raises a 3 flush that he isn't on when he has a pair.

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Grunch: Here is my interpretation of those terms. A lot of these overlap.

LAG: Loose aggressive agressive-plays a lot of hands and likes bet and raise a lot with just about anything. Sometimes will bluff.

TAG: Tight and plays premium hands preflop. Is aggressive when he thinks he has the best of it or if he has the odds to draw to a best hand.

Calling station: Loose but rarely bets or raises. Will check and call down only if hits any part of the flop. If he starts raising it means a monster hand.

Loose: A player who will play a lot of hands preflop and go to far with them. Usually not worth bluffing or stealing blinds.

Passive: Doesn't bet or raise much.

Tight: A player who plays only good hands but will fold if thought he is beaten. Can be bluffed and have his blinds stolen,especially if he is also passive.

Aggressive: Will bet and raise a lot.

Maniac: The high end of Loose and Aggressive. Plays any two cards and raises and raises everything. Likes to cap every street.

Idiot: Has no clue what he/she is doing. No rhyme or reason for the way they play.

Tricky: Likes to check/raise, slowplay, etc. Will bluff in spots. If he does it to the extreme, he has FPS.

Rock: The ultimate of tight and sometimes passive. Will only play the most premium of starting hands. If a rock plays and then starts raising post-flop look out. A rock rarely bluffs.

Doc

[rigmarole]

I pretty much use FreakDaddy's guide... incomplete (part 3 is still pending) but pretty concise.

Taking Notes & Making Reads Article (Part 1)

Taking Notes & Making Reads Article (Part 2)

I've thought to personalize my own interpretation but figure I could use the time to work on more important things like patching the gaping hole that is my poker game... why reinvent the wheel [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Rig