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#31
11-20-2007, 12:17 AM
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Re: Checking it down
We consider angling discussion of the hand in progress in an attempt to gain an advantage.
For example: "I have the flush, you better just fold" is angeling or "My hand is huge, I would check if I was you" also angeling however: guy not involved in hand "buddy, you should fold, he has a monster" - not permitted 
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#32
11-20-2007, 12:24 AM
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Re: Checking it down
[ QUOTE ]
We consider angling discussion of the hand in progress in an attempt to gain an advantage. For example: "I have the flush, you better just fold" is angeling or "My hand is huge, I would check if I was you" also angeling however: guy not involved in hand "buddy, you should fold, he has a monster" - not permitted [/ QUOTE ] Then, frankly, you guys either need to drop the slang from your formal rules, or learn the more "widely accepted" usage of the terms that you chose to use. It leads to imprecise and confusing rules.
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#33
11-20-2007, 01:08 AM
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Re: Checking it down
Imcclean, we get that by your place's rules, "checking it down" is allowed. Understood. Simply put, the entire place/"jurisdiction" is WRONG. LV casinos/AC casinos = where you should be getting your rules from.
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#36
11-20-2007, 03:17 AM
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Re: Checking it down
I work in a room with a magical muck, so I understand that some places aren't standard, and it can be frustrating as someone who actually knows and respects the game to sit there and watch stuff go on that nobody will back me on preventing.
The term they use is poor, but the sort of table talk they describe is fairly standard in the Bay Area, as well. But we would never call it "angling". I try to curb the table talk as much as possible, but you can't really stop it. Tho' to openly discuss checking it down during a tournament should NEVER be allowed.
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#37
11-20-2007, 04:17 AM
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Re: Checking it down
[ QUOTE ]
We consider angling discussion of the hand in progress in an attempt to gain an advantage. For example: "I have the flush, you better just fold" is angeling or "My hand is huge, I would check if I was you" also angeling however: guy not involved in hand "buddy, you should fold, he has a monster" - not permitted [/ QUOTE ] Your examples aren't really angling. They are a standard part of poker - i.e. lying/trying to confuse your opponent to gain an advantage while the hand is in play. An example of angleshot would be when the betting is done and one player purposely mis-declares his hand in an attempt to get the winner to muck his cards. But lets get back to the original topic of this thread. Using your rooms' example of an angle I still don't see how it could be permitted for 2 players to agree to check down in a tournament when there is already another player all in. The all in player needs to be protected because he can not take any more action. Other players in the tourney need to be protected by 2 people colluding together to knock a player out. Some might argue that it is in everyone's best interest to eliminate a player but there can be times when it isn't. I can think of one obvious one - on the bubble of a big money event when the big stacks would rather play hard and take advantage of players just wanting to make the money.
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#38
11-20-2007, 04:18 AM
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Re: Checking it down
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yesssssss I'm sorry ,but I really think there should be a standard. And considering Vegas/AC are the casino capitals of the country, it should come from them. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry but LA's rooms are the poker capital of the US.
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#40
11-20-2007, 10:25 AM
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Re: Checking it down
[ QUOTE ]
We consider angling discussion of the hand in progress in an attempt to gain an advantage. For example: "I have the flush, you better just fold" is angeling or "My hand is huge, I would check if I was you" also angeling however: guy not involved in hand "buddy, you should fold, he has a monster" - not permitted [/ QUOTE ] In a cash came, the first two examples are perfectly proper as long as there are no other players in the hand. If there is somebody else in the hand, not proper at all, and I would expect at least a warning. In a tourney, your first two examples are never proper, unless you're down to the last two players in the tourney. House rules are house rules, of course, but that's pretty basic (and important) stuff, so I'd hate to play in a place that tampered with basic rules. This is directly from the Tournament Directors Association Rules. The important part of the below is the protecting other players, note that the part about advice could apply to your examples as well: [ QUOTE ] Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Therefore, players, whether in the hand or not, may not: 1. Disclose contents of live or folded hands 2. Advise or criticize play before the action is complete 3. Read a hand that hasn’t been tabled The one-player-to-a-hand rule will be enforced. [/ QUOTE ] And then this,: [ QUOTE ] Poker is an individual game. Soft play will result in penalties, which may include forfeiture of chips and/or disqualification. Chip dumping will result in disqualification. [/ QUOTE ] And finally, from Robert's Rules of Poker: [ QUOTE ] The following actions are improper, and grounds for warning, suspending, or barring a violator: ... Agreeing to check a hand out when a third player is all-in. [/ QUOTE ]
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