All Over The Place: Tournament Holdem

[OrrLives]

Somebody is reading Hellmuthhhhhhh.

[garcia1000]

Hellmuth + Super System (love the JT always makes nut straights part) = bloggerbane?

I like his style though

[JammyDodga]

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The flop was K Q 3; not bad for me since I flopped the nut straight draw. J 10 is the only hand that gives you the nut straight no matter how you hit it. A-K-Q-J-10, K-Q-J-10-9, Q-J-10-9-8, J-10-9-8-7 are all nut straights if you hold jack 10. (This is assuming that there isn’t a four card straight on the board.)

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I understand you're new here, but for future reference just assume that the readers here understand the basic mechanics of the game. When you throw in something like this it sounds like you're either talking to beginners or being incredibly condescending.


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Its also wrong... Do you see why?

[bloggerbane1]

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Its also wrong... Do you see why?

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No, Why?

[SomeoneElse]

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Its also wrong... Do you see why?

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No, Why?

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Any two cards 10+ do it.

[JammyDodga]

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Its also wrong... Do you see why?

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No, Why?

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KQ? QJ?

[bloggerbane1]

I said if you are holding J 10. Maybe I wasn't clear.

[Zetack]

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I said if you are holding J 10. Maybe I wasn't clear.

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Actually you said J-10 is the only holding that gives you the nut straight no matter how you hit it (assuming no four card straights on board). Obviously hands like KQ do as well.

I just assumed what you meant to say was that it the only holding that makes the full complement of straights using both hole cards (four), for which every straight is the nut straight. [KQ, for example, only makes two such straights, but they are both the nut straight.]

This is a well known concept particularly since Lee Jones mentioned it in his book, Winning Low Limit Hold 'Em. There was a time that virtually every serious low stakes player had read that book, although that's less true now that 2+2 authors have low stakes books that are considered superior.

[bloggerbane1]

OK, I should've said J 10 is the only hand the will make 4 nut straights. (VS. 1, 2, or 3) I figured everyone would know what I meant.

[Lottery Larry]

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First lesson on the Intranetz- bad assumption. No matter your intent, or how clearly you think you are detailing something, you can be easily misinterpreted
speaking from recent experience

Second lesson- let people work for it a little. Don't focus on 1+1+1+1+1= 5 unless someone asks for clarification.

Be as clear as you can, but be concise... and really think if some things are necessary.

(not a lecture, just some suggestions. Keep on keepin' on..)