KK flop K but also a nut flush draw

[TheStandman]

Did I play this good preflop? And what should I do on the flop?

(I don't have a good hand converter but I hope this is clear...)

Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: S1 ( $16471 )
Seat 3: S3 ( $5000 )
Seat 2: S2 ( $17376 )
Seat 9: S9 ( $5525 )
Seat 5: S5 ( $7060 )
S9 posts small blind [$25].
S1 posts big blind [$50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to S2 [ Kc Ks ]
S2 raises [$200]
S3 folds
S5 folds
S9 folds
S1 raises [$625]
S2 raises [$1300]
S1 calls [$825]
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, Ts, Qs ]
S1 checks

[MYNAMEIZGREG]

Check it back.

[Dale Dough]

I don't get your title.

With these stacks, I think your opponent calls you with lots of hands, assuming of course that he threebets you with lots of hands. Looks like a way ahead/way behind spot to me. You have a monster draw, but he's not paying you off if you hit, and neither is he folding many hands that you beat. You might get AK to lay down if you apply some pressure, and you might get QQ/TT to lay down if you apply lots of pressure, but that can be costly if he doesn't fold or has AA.

I vote for a check. If he bets the turn, call. I don't think he'll valuebet AK on the river, so I give up if I haven't hit anything by then.

If he checks the turn also, I'd bet like 1/3 pot. I think it's dangerous for him to bluffraise you there, because it's plausible that you've been slowplaying, and now bet small because he showed weakness.

This seems kinda weak though, I'm interested in what others have to say.

[odawg09090]

I like a check here most of the time. On turn if he checks, I defintely check and call a river bet.

[TheStandman]

This is interesting. I was really doubting to check or bet here.... If I check I get the free turn (spade would be great for me).

He showed so much strength preflop that i was almost sure that he had AKh, AKc, AKd, AA, KK, QQ, JJ or TT (almost 0% chance..) . Nothing else, not even AKo and he had to put him on the same range. And I knew he had to think that I hit AAA unless he had AA.

But would he take the risk to give me the free flush card if i had the Ks?

The answer was no imo, so I think he would bet a hit AA, QQ (or TT) here for sure to find out what I had and how strong I wanted to play this hand. Is this a wrong assumption?

If he checks QQ here is he willing to fold AA or would he c/r me all-in?

I just didn't think he hit his set but I had no good idea what he had.... Is betting not the right thing to do?

[FluffyTiger]

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KK flop K but also a nut flush draw

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Good sir, was your title a clever ruse to impel this thread to lionization??

[Dale Dough]

Why do you want to bet? If you put him specifically on that range, OK, you might get AK to fold. But if he has anything else you gain very little by betting him off, and might cost yourself a lot if he does have a set or, God forbid, a flush.

Also, as I said before, I think he's calling a lot of crap hands preflop getting 20 to 1 implied odds, even out of position. I know the crazy preflop threebetting fad is past its prime by now, but if he's going to have AK or a premium pair there every time, he's probably better off just calling the first time around.

[ImprovinNewbie]

dont minraise his re-raise. i think just shove. did he have aces or queens and your draw didnt get here?

[berserk]

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dont minraise his re-raise. i think just shove. did he have aces or queens and your draw didnt get here?

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lol@shoving >200bb

[Hindsight2020]

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Looks like a way ahead/way behind spot to me.

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what??

i hate a bet here, take your free card

you don't fold out anything that beats you, and he would have to be crazy to put money in with a worse hand, on this board, in a 4-bet pot