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Old 05-30-2007, 12:46 AM
Fiksdal Fiksdal is offline
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Default Re: Flat calling here sucks, DUCY?

I'm probably doing this with AA/KK 100%, unless I have a special reason to believe he is 3betting me with just air or something.
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Old 05-30-2007, 12:49 AM
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Default Re: Flat calling here sucks, DUCY?

I usually 4bet pot. Is pushing always better?
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Old 05-30-2007, 12:53 AM
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Default Re: Flat calling here sucks, DUCY?

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I usually 4bet pot. Is pushing always better?

[/ QUOTE ]wuts ur play when u raise to 16 or 1w/e and get a caller and the flop come Q97?!?!!?
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Old 05-30-2007, 12:57 AM
vlerk vlerk is offline
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Default Re: Flat calling here sucks, DUCY?

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I usually 4bet pot. Is pushing always better?

[/ QUOTE ]wuts ur play when u raise to 16 or 1w/e and get a caller and the flop come Q97?!?!!?

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I guess i push any flop. What can he call me with he wouldn't have called a preflop push with?
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:00 AM
Paul Thomson Paul Thomson is offline
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Default Re: Flat calling here sucks, DUCY?

i flat call here because i don't 4-bet preflop...but then again i know how to play poker postflop...so flat calling here doesn't suck...DUCY?
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:03 AM
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Default Re: Flat calling here sucks, DUCY?

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i flat call here because i don't 4-bet preflop...but then again i know how to play poker postflop...so flat calling here doesn't suck...DUCY?

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Playing OOP in a 3 bet pot in a RIO situation is the suck...DUCY? This hand is great to push PF for a lot of reasons.
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:10 AM
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Default Re: Flat calling here sucks, DUCY?

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i flat call here because i don't 4-bet preflop...but then again i know how to play poker postflop...so flat calling here doesn't suck...DUCY?

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Playing OOP in a 3 bet pot in a RIO situation is the suck...DUCY? This hand is great to push PF for a lot of reasons.

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i check-raise alot of flops that miss the Villain & Me. I think this a decent alternative to pushing preflop.

And I know all the reasons for pushing preflop but calling isn't terrible. It's not as great oop but if ur confident that Villain will continuation bet close to 100% here, than it doesn't really matter. DUCY?
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:16 AM
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Default Re: Flat calling here sucks, DUCY?

I like it.
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Old 05-30-2007, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: Flat calling here sucks, DUCY?

I decided to give this a try just now:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($19.30)
MP ($12.60)
Hero ($24.75)
Button ($33.20)
SB ($20.35)
BB ($37.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $0.90, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $24.75</font>, SB folds, BB calls $21.25.

Flop: ($50.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: ($50.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($50.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $50.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has As Ad (one pair, aces).
Hero has Kc Ac (high card, ace).
Outcome: BB wins $50.50. </font>
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Old 05-30-2007, 02:15 AM
Fiksdal Fiksdal is offline
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Default Re: Flat calling here sucks, DUCY?

Dude the push in OP is partly justified by a slightly loose/agressive villain. Check the stats before you felt 100bbs with AK.


Btw, could someone who are good at math and structured hand analysis do a estimation on the $EV of a push in OP hand assuming some fairly standard 3bet and push-call ranges?
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