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02-28-2007, 03:09 PM
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Ruling
This happened a while ago, so I don't remember the cards. but here is the jist of what happened:
Drunk guy who has been spewing chips all night gets all in on the turn. River is dealt, and his opponent tables his cards and shows a set. Drunk guy tables his hand, and gets up and leaves. I examine his hand for a few seconds, and say "isn't that a straight?". The drunk guy had in fact rivered a straight, but we look around and the drunk guy is nowhere to be seen. Dealer shrugs his shoulders and pushes the pot to the guy with the set. Is this correct? 
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#5
02-28-2007, 03:50 PM
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Re: Ruling
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yes, player must be present to win the pot [/ QUOTE ] I don't think this is entirely true, but if the rightful winner leaves the building, then I'd say that's enough to forfeit the pot. The reason I saw it's not cut and dry is because I've seen people take beats and walk away from the table frustrated. If, while they're taking a walk, the table sees they won, they should still get the pot, assuming they're coming back (i.e. still have chips, or said "ugh, I'll be back). Cody
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#6
02-28-2007, 03:52 PM
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Re: Ruling
Best hand was tabled at the showdown.
Best hand gets the chips. Is that so hard to understand? Dealer should call the floor over and explain. Chips should be saved for the drunk. They are his. He won the pot. What if the drunk comes back in a few minutes and "Where are my chips? I had a straight on the last hand! I left to go to the bathroom and you guys stole my chips?" In the meantime the 'winner' has cashed out or gone busto.
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#7
02-28-2007, 04:10 PM
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Re: Ruling
Very incorrect ruling. Floor should have been called, and the chips should have been collected and impounded. Sadly, that probably means the casino gets the money once they give up on the guy coming to claim them, so what the dealer did by pushing the pot without calling the floor was good for the players; it kept the money in play and out of the hands of the casino. So I'm not TOO unhappy with the result and I probably wouldn't have argued much at the table about this. If this were a tourney, I wouldn't have let the dealer push the chips the wrong way.
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#8
02-28-2007, 07:35 PM
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Re: Ruling
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Drunk guy tables his hand, and gets up and leaves. [/ QUOTE ] Drunk guy won the pot, so push his chips to his seat. If he doesn't return within the allowed time allowed for walking players, pick up his stack and save them for him for when (if) he returns. No way this pot goes to the losing hand.
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#9
02-28-2007, 08:01 PM
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Re: Ruling
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Best hand was tabled at the showdown. Best hand gets the chips. Is that so hard to understand? [/ QUOTE ] This is what I thought, and why I pointed out the winning hand to the dealer. I'm not particularly experienced at B&M games (probably played a couple dozen times) and didn't feel like alienating the player who was still at the table for the drunk guy, especially since I wasn't positive how the floor would rule. I sure wasn't going to go searching through the casino for the drunk guy, and as bav pointed out, what probably would have happened was that the casino would have kept the money. Do you think I should have pressed the issue further? [ QUOTE ] Dealer should call the floor over and explain. Chips should be saved for the drunk. They are his. He won the pot. [/ QUOTE ] Again, I agree, but after pointing it out to the dealer, isn't that his responsibility? I feel like I may be passing the buck here, but do I need to take the heat for drunk guy (who was not particularly pleasant) that I don't know? Maybe, but at the time I thought the dealer should take charge, and if I pressed it the table would be pissed at me for slowing the game down and taking money off the table. [ QUOTE ] What if the drunk comes back in a few minutes and "Where are my chips? I had a straight on the last hand! I left to go to the bathroom and you guys stole my chips?" In the meantime the 'winner' has cashed out or gone busto. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that these are problems, but they are the casino's problems, not mine. I'm all for the players maintaining the integrity of the game and protecting the fish, but if the drunk guy can't wait around till the pot is pushed and the dealer has a cavalier attitude about it let them sort it out.
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#10
02-28-2007, 09:07 PM
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Re: Ruling
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and didn't feel like alienating the player who was still at the table [/ QUOTE ] Heaven forbid one of your "fish" should get upset because he wasn't allowed to keep a pot that wasn't his. Attitude like this sickens me.
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