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Old 11-13-2007, 06:29 AM
cs3 cs3 is offline
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Default AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot

<font color="blue"> UTG is a regular semi-lag. we have lots of history recently and have played tons of big pots. ive won almost every sinlge one of them and am up like 6-7 buyins on him over 800 hands - so that may factor into his mindset one way or another.

hes running 24/16 and so far is pretty straightforward postflop. i have seen him make some really big calls when he thinks im fos tho (with A-high for like 90bb's, and QQ calldown on an AAJJX board for 3 streets).

he calls lots of 3bets OOP with just about any pair. especially vs me he doesnt fold much PF once he raises. ive only seen him 4bt like twice and both times he was OOP and shoved over a 3bet after he PRR'd

CO is a random donk that will call any raise or rerasie with anything semicoordinated.

im running 22/19 and villain knows im decent/at least have a clue. he prob thinks i may be a little spewy postflop as ive been caught doing some dumb [censored] tho</font>

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $107.25
SB: $101.90
BB: $137.50
UTG: $136.30
CO: $109.60

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $4</font>, CO calls $4, <font color="red">Hero raises to $18</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $14, CO calls $14
<font color="blue"> i thinks i knows what he be havin </font>

Flop: ($55.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $89.25 and is All-In</font>
<font color="blue"> i am so smart!
i am so smart!
S-M-R-T!
S-M-R-T! </font>
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:43 AM
AaronOC AaronOC is offline
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Default Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot

well this is an interesting way of avoiding being outplayed, looks good to me as long as he will call with overpairs, but i think that this baord hits so little of his range and there are no draws out there that you could bet like 35 and get more value from small overpairs (99,1010)

anyways nh
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:02 AM
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Default Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot

I like it. It's such a "bad" line that i think people look you up a lot.
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:03 AM
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Default Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot

i defintitely wasnt trying to avoid gbeing outplayed fwiw.
i was planning to get in my stack one way or another regardless once i got 2 calls PF... more like i just didnt want to give either villain a chance to outplay themself on various scary turn cards
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:07 AM
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Default Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot

um yeah this is pretty standard. you arent folding. and you aren't betting to fold to a raise, so shoving here makes perfect sense in a pot that is already this size on the flop.
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Old 11-13-2007, 08:09 AM
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Default Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot

It looks to me like you are going to get more value from CO than the reg so I would bet less to intice him along. If he's got a small pair it's going to be way easier for him to call 2 smaller bets than a shove.

If you bet 50 you're giving them at most 3-1 implied odds which isn't enough to call with flush or straight. If you get a caller then the turn will give them 4-1 so still only breakeven to hit their flush and you made money on the flop call.

If you think shoving will be interpreted as weak and will get a call then fair enough but I don't think the reg will have a big enough hand to make a hero call here and the overbet will probably scare CO off.
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Old 11-13-2007, 08:46 AM
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Default Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot

who's this reg? what's his sn?
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Old 11-13-2007, 09:45 AM
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Default Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot

It's not brilliant IMO because I really cant see how it can be more +EV than betting c.$40 because by shoving you lose so much value from donks who will call down a regular 2/3 pot bet with 99 etc without realising they are then completely priced into calling the turn.

I would only really be tempted to use this line occasionally against a thinking reg to balance your range when you do it with semi-bluffs.

Not awful but not as good as betting $40 IMO.
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Old 11-13-2007, 09:53 AM
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Default Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot

Given history this is pretty sweet. He'll do his best to convince himself that you are on a heart draw and this def puts the pressure on him.
+ if he's wrong he might tilt hard
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Old 11-13-2007, 10:21 AM
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Default Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot

Betting 35-40 is better imo. Gives the illusion of fe and I don't think a push will get looked up lighter then a normal bet. It's seems you're mainly targeting the tag, but I can't see him calling an overbet in a 3-ways 3-bet flop light, especially with the donk left to act.

Betting smaller hoping he'll shove draws and marginal hands over the bet is way better imo. Both vs the tag and donk.
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