Stars massive field, ITM, evaluate my exit please.

supair · #1 07-02-2007, 07:06 AM

Hi Guys,

Would just like to go over the 3 key hands that led to me going busto last night, I think its fairly standard, but Im just questioning the need to find spots to resteal when your crushing the table anyway with openeing raises with ATC and C/betting. I suppose its just a willingness to be really aggressive and to put the stack Ive built up through good play to good use. Obviously i dont wanna be results oriented, I just want to be analytical about the key hands in my tourneys and see if i can learn a little.

We are ITM, but the good stuff is top 10, so Im playing to win. Started with 2200 runners and were down to 150ish?Table is very tight, I am basically picking a couple of nitty blinds a round and minraising ATC and generally taking it there, if not with a c/bet post flop. Ive showndown NOTHING and if I have its been less than premium, so theyve got me pegged as very aggressive.
Taking into consideration table image, stack and blind sizes, where did we go wrong with hand 1, if at all? Hand 2 is a standard resteal i think? and hand 3 i dont think i even need to post its that standard, but i thought id finish the trilogy. I wont post individual villain styles as theyre all tight tight tight. And passive.

thanks guys.

Hand 1

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800, Ante is t50(9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG (t8290)
UTG+1 (t8255)
MP1 (t4095)
MP2 (t13107)
MP3 (t14800)
CO (t15172)
Button (t992)
SB (t11040)
Hero (t34673)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 calls t800, 3 folds, Hero raises to t2400, MP3 calls t1600.

Flop: (t5200) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t3200, MP3 raises to t12350, Hero calls t9150.

Turn: (t29900) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t29900) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t29900

Hand 2

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200, Ante is t75 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button (t45920)
SB (t5105)
BB (t3795)
UTG (t9957)
UTG+1 (t39040)
MP1 (t12622)
MP2 (t15366)
MP3 (t24305)
Hero (t20714)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t2400, 4 folds, Hero raises to t20639, 3 folds, UTG calls t7482 (All-In).

Flop: (t31046) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t31046) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t31046) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t31046

Hand 3

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200, Ante is t75 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP3 (t45770)
CO (t4355)
Button (t1845)
SB (t20964)
BB (t38890)
UTG (t12472)
UTG+1 (t17691)
MP1 (t24155)
Hero (t10682)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t10607, 4 folds, BB calls t9407.

Flop: (t20614) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t20614) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t20614) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t20614

Soulman · #2 07-02-2007, 07:51 AM

Hand 1: you don't have to resteal all the time you know. If he's tight and passive, what does his limp mean? I don't hate it in a vacuum, but you're viewed as very aggressive and won't get any respect. This goes double when you only reraise to 3xBB - reraise to 5x to get him off the hand. As played, bet pot to show him he's got no FE and call the push.

Hand 2: a tight tight tight passive player pushes UTG with 8-9 BBs. His range is ...

Hand 3: don't hate it in a vacuum, but your image is probably totally ruined by now and will get you a lot of loose calls. A spot or two later would have been good and/or a better hand.

coatsie · #3 07-02-2007, 07:52 AM

hand 1 - tough spot. i check pre. i would prefer a steal with 2-3 limpers with a hand unlikely to be dominated. on the flop i really want to fold but i think with better than 2-1, you have to call. my gut says your beaten here and prob facing 2 pair, better king more than facing a draw when he's all-in. i say he raises with 88+, AT+, KQ+, QJ and limps with A2-A9, 9T-JT, 22-77, QT, KJ

hand 2 - your read "tight tight tight" = warning UTG, he has commited 25% of stack so he not going anywhere. you have a healthy stack. I easily fold this.

hand 3 - i dont mind this here, i would prefer to wait for better position i.e. BTN or CO hoping to push on a few limpers or open push, as its a tight table i would say better spots would be easy to find.

Neku · #4 07-02-2007, 08:27 AM

*grunch*

hand 1: you're beaten on the flop, I think. He calls your reraise PF and shoves into your flop bet when he's not pot commited: that's real strength and no bluff, I think.

hand 2: this I like. It's less than half your stack, and might be a resteal (although your LAG image probably hurts your here). You might try a stop and go here, hoping that the flop in some way scares him? Dunno if other tpt'ers can give any insight into this?

hand 3: you can afford to wait. In SB, this might be a push, but not in MP2.

supair · #5 07-02-2007, 08:27 AM

With hand 1, the pot is just so big with antes involved and open limpers have been folding so much, I just couldnt help myself. Duly noted, regain some FE and slow down. As played yeah, theres no way Im folding after leading.

With hand 2, with an m of 10 here Im looking to make moves and get my stack back or go out, and saw this as a good spot (maybe wrongly). I genuinely thought we might be winning, and if not we'd probably be racing. UTG's M=less than 5, so I feel his range here is bigger than usual. I just thought given the odds and his range, calling was better than folding, and therefore raising was the best option due to him being committed anyway. Tight one, dont like it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

supair · #6 07-02-2007, 08:35 AM

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*grunch*
hand 2: this I like. It's less than half your stack, and might be a resteal (although your LAG image probably hurts your here). You might try a stop and go here, hoping that the flop in some way scares him? Dunno if other tpt'ers can give any insight into this?

hand 3: you can afford to wait. In SB, this might be a push, but not in MP2.

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Didnt really consider stop and going it, just never crossed my mind that we were deep enough for it not to go in preflop. Interesting.

And hand 3 I thought personally was the easiest of all, no one entering the pot in front of me is good enough reason to shove atc with an m of this size, and a tight table.

Soulman · #7 07-02-2007, 08:52 AM

Eh, stop n goes are pretty hard to do when you're in position...

Anyway, UTG has a pretty small stack, that's true. What do you think his range is, considering he's tight-passive, 9-handed and he doesn't push it in?

Neku · #8 07-02-2007, 09:00 AM

Are you thinking a monster or a steal (or just bad play), soulman? You think it's AA, looking for customers?

Thanks for the heads up about the Stop & go (I don't actively use it myself, it seemed like a possibility).

supair · #9 07-02-2007, 09:30 AM

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anyway, UTG has a pretty small stack, that's true. What do you think his range is, considering he's tight-passive, 9-handed and he doesn't push it in?

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At this level? could be 55+, Axs, A7o+.

Real player JJ+ AJs+ AQo+? Maybe other stuff looking to stop and go as he is in position [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

hamnegger · #10 07-02-2007, 10:42 AM

hand 1 and 2 are bad. 3x bb rai? steal by raising 5 or 6 bb. go all in if you plan to call his all in anyway. forget value betting that board. take his odds away.

hand 2 is bad FOLD YOU ARE DOMINATED OR BAD SIDE OF A FLIP

hand 3 is ok