AA- 4bet flop or smooth call

[RedSoxFan]

Villain is 29.6/14.8/4/27. He's very aggressive on flop when he hits. I was running somewhere around 18/14/4 and cbetting most flops.

CO ($23.90)
Button ($23.50)
SB ($21.35)
BB ($29.60)
Hero ($27.70)
MP ($5.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls $1.15, BB calls $1.

<font color="red"> This is my standard PFR from UTG </font>

Flop: ($3.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $12.5</font>, Hero ???

<font color="red"> Whenever someone donk bets me this small, I raise 3-4x their raise (most times they fold). Even with a PS donk bet- I'd probably raise to $12. His 3bet sort of sucks IMO. Do I 4bet him (likely AI) or smooth call and reevaluate the turn? </font>

[kaz2107]

as played i think i fold. wut does he do this with that u beat??? maybe QQ or KK but i would think a straifght forward tag player would 3 bet that preflop. i think u r toast. at best he has a good draw and u r coin flippin imo

oww yea go rocks. wowwowowoooooooooooooooooooo

[Sardine]

first off I think his call preflop range is quite wide, since he seems a bit loose and because SB joined in. Given the pot is going to be so large on Turn and there are alot of draws on this board, which you will not know if it hit him or not, IMHO you have to choose between AI or folding on the flop. Against this player it's close, but given the texture I think raise allin is profitable long run.

[RedSoxFan]

Hero calls $8.50.

Turn: ($28.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $13.95</font>, BB calls $8.95.

any thoughts?

[Gullanian]

I'd just call the $5 and try to draw to the nuts cheaply.

[kaz2107]

[ QUOTE ]
Hero calls $8.50.

Turn: ($28.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $13.95</font>, BB calls $8.95.

any thoughts?

[/ QUOTE ]wut hands does he call with that we beat?!?!?! basically one of the worst turn cards u could of hit. yes u have a good deal of redraws but u have 0 FE imo. u r gettin good odds to draw to take the lead against 2pair or river the nut flush

[ICMoney]

When you say he's aggro on the flop when he hits, do you mean donks small and then 3b 3x or CR PSR or what?

I'm never really sure what to do in these spots.

My default plays would be (in no specific order):

Call and get it in on a blank turn.
Fold to a big bet on the turn when draws hit.
Maybe get it in on this flop if he has a high raise cb%.

[Kasane]

Hm, because we have the Ac, any club that hits on the turn is going to mean that we have 3-1, and our hand may be best. So, if we call flop, then we're basically committed to ANY turn card, aren't we (except a J, maybe)? Villain will only have 1/2 psb left, so there's no read to get from villain's betting strength.

If we call the flop, it means we're calling a blank turn or club turn and we're calling to let him bluff off his money.

Don't we have to make our decision on the flop to call intending to call anything on the turn, or fold/push the flop?

Personally, I think I fold the flop 3bet as this is usually the sign of a monster rather than a monster draw -- and again, we have the Ac, which reduces the number of monster draws he can have quite significantly. And, of course, we have AA which halves the range of AJ he could be doing this with.

Unless he's shown some maniac tendencies, overvaluing tptk, or flatting QQ-KK in the blinds, I fold flop.

[Check_The_Nuts]

I fold flop too. I don't think your ahead very often if ever.

[teh_sponge]

The flop is definitely fold or shove, i think the four bet is the worst of all of you options because it leaves you with a really tough decision on the turn.

As played I would shove the flop, pf leaves villain w/ too wide of a range to fold this.