KK 3 bet pot, 4 way action, drawy heavy board

[wslee00]

well - you have the odds to call this assuming all the aces are live. So sure why not, call and cross your fingers.

[Profish2285]

Do I have odds to call if AK is at least a decent possibility for one of the two villains?

[traz]

At the loosest of ranges, you don't get dealt the right odds. Sucks, but without reads I probably cf

[RedSoxFan]

I check/call small bets- I don't think you're ahead of the avg player calling a 3bet pre flop.

As far as the dude who said he'd push- you likely don't have 8 outs. Chances are that if 4 people called bets of 18BB preflop- a few of those aces are gone. So you probably only have 6 outs and AK is probably there as well so you're splitting the pot if another ace comes(after donking off a lot of $$$ to the rake).

I pokerstoved it- gave two of the players the top 5% of hands and 1 player (the calling station) the top 10% of hands. I don't see many more hands outside of this range going to the flop in this situation.


Hand 0: 17.129% 13.87% 03.26% 9160382 2155195.67 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 35.725% 32.54% 03.19% 21494376 2106125.50 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }
Hand 2: 35.725% 32.54% 03.19% 21494376 2106125.50 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }
Hand 3: 11.420% 10.21% 01.21% 6744660 799599.33 { 22+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+ }

[Profish2285]

I really cant ever be ahead here or even drawing live too often can I?

[RedSoxFan]

ok- now that you posted more action while I was writing my above sermon- you have to believe some of your outs are taken and I doubt if 9 comes, your K high straight is good. You probably are chasing 2 outs to split.

It sucks but I think it's a fold.

[EMc]

I think it was BobbosFitos or limon or someone that good that said part of the problem this OP was having was that he was looking for a big pot with KK or AA and didnt get hte right circumstances and was now confused. Its ok if you dont always get a big pot with these hands especially on a board like this.

[Profish2285]

Yea, I called because I am an idiot and the second I pressed call, before I even saw their cards, I asked myself why did I just do that. I ended up sucking out big time going runner runner boat though, so I will take that gift and fold next time. The original guy who shoved had 56s for 6 high no draw, and the next guy had AK for the nuts (ouch).

[Nemesis69]

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Yea, I called because I am an idiot and the second I pressed call, before I even saw their cards, I asked myself why did I just do that. I ended up sucking out big time going runner runner boat though, so I will take that gift and fold next time. The original guy who shoved had 56s for 6 high no draw, and the next guy had AK for the nuts (ouch).

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IT WAS YOU? [censored] [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[Profish2285]

You had AK? If that was you.....sorry.