5/10 NL live double checkraise and possible sick river call

[McStinky]

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I agree with most of the posters who say check behind on the turn and call any river bet. I think when you are this deep and you only have 1 pair, pot control becomes more important than trying to get max value on the turn. This is even more true when the villain is like the one you described, who is capable of bluffing this river after pulling a double-checkraise bluff.

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Aargh, if he is capable of all this bluffing then I should do what it takes to make him bluff, right!?

[wazz]

Yes, but you don't know for sure that he is bluffing, which is why we try to exercise pot control so he can't valuetown us.

[sards]

The point is, by playing the hand the way you did, you put yourself in a very tough situation where you might have to call on the river with one pair for a 900bb pot. Whether you should call or not, and whether you took the best line in this hand, depends on how often the villain will make huge insane multi-street bluffs like this. And since you probably don't know the exact frequency with which he will do that, and since it is probably less frequent than you might think during the heat of the moment, I think it's probably more +EV to take the safer line.

Now, if you are really certain that you have the best hand on the turn after he check-raises you, you might as well 3-bet him, for a couple of reasons: 1. He probably still has plenty of outs to the best hand on the river. There are lots of scare cards that could come out. 3-betting protects your hand. 2. You can't assume that he will bluff the river if he misses. And he certainly won't call a value-bet if he misses and checks.

[McStinky]

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The point is, by playing the hand the way you did, you put yourself in a very tough situation where you might have to call on the river with one pair for a 900bb pot. Whether you should call or not, and whether you took the best line in this hand, depends on how often the villain will make huge insane multi-street bluffs like this. And since you probably don't know the exact frequency with which he will do that, and since it is probably less frequent than you might think during the heat of the moment, I think it's probably more +EV to take the safer line.

Now, if you are really certain that you have the best hand on the turn after he check-raises you, you might as well 3-bet him, for a couple of reasons: 1. He probably still has plenty of outs to the best hand on the river. There are lots of scare cards that could come out. 3-betting protects your hand. 2. You can't assume that he will bluff the river if he misses. And he certainly won't call a value-bet if he misses and checks.

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Yeah, whether I should 3-bet the turn is a kind of interesting question. I was almost positive that if he was bluffing, then he would fire another big barrel on the river. And I wasn't worried about scare cards because he would see them as scaring me and still bet. I probably should have called the turn and planned on calling on any river except an 8, J, or K.

[jlocdog]

"Aargh, if he is capable of all this bluffing then I should do what it takes to make him bluff, right!?"

That is one hell of a read to want to put in 900BB with TPTK my friend. Especially on such a coordinated board such as this given PF action....