Turn Bluff in Reraised Pot

[jk3a]

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $246.20
BB: $75.55
UTG: $246.15
MP: $163.85
CO: $225.25
BTN: $126.60

Reads: <font color="blue">Villain is 23/17/3 through 250 hands. Seems pretty good, possible 2p2er. This is like the 4th time I've 3bet him in 20 minutes. Couple different tables, all with decent hands. No other significant history, I only recently sat. Anybody like a shove here?</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $8.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $28.00</font>, BB folds, CO calls $20.00

Flop: ($58) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $38.00</font>, CO calls $38.00

Turn: ($134) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)

[loosbastard]

Well most of these guys are shoving flop w/ QQ/JJ/AK w/ a heart. I can't imagine him having anything but AQ or something like TT w/ a heart here, so shoving can't be THAT bad. Although, the fact that you've been 3-betting him quite a bit recently makes me lean towards just giving up.

And FWIW, I usually check this flop.

[Novles]

yeah, i think LB pretty much summed it up. And I think if you wanna shove here, something like $88 is a lot scarier. Also, I think calling is better pf given history.

[jk3a]

what would you need to value shove?

[docnuclear]

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what would you need to value shove?

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sets, flushes obv, overpairs w/ or /o a heart

[Nick Royale]

If you get called here you'll have like 1 out on average. I'd prefer pushing when you actually might have some outs when called. Also the flop is pretty draw heavy and you have an aggro image so you'll probably get looked up pretty light. I like calling preflop too.

[Novles]

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what would you need to value shove?

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JJ+/22/44/AQ/flushes. And I'd probably shove, merge and hope for the best with KQ/AhJx. With AhQx, I'd c/rai, since a free card doesn't hurt us too much other than kill our action on a heart river. But that's made up for the fact that AJ will probably look us up if we put out a small vb on a blank river. FWIW, I think bluff shoving in rr pots w/o extensive reads/history is generally a bad idea.

edit: AK w/ a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], I'd probably just stick it in as well.

[jk3a]

thanks for the thoughts, i actually had AQo, no heart and shoved, didn't get called. Got me thinking about bluffing in this spot....