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Old 11-19-2007, 02:01 PM
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Default Re: Bluffing in 3-bet pot

With the plan to stick it in light at the flop position against a overly aggro villain position aint that important. Just c/r it all in on decent flops. I watched Brians latest vid. to and I guess these kind of plays are ok to do once in a while, not to often though. But I guess a little more information on villan would be nice, he cbets a bunch right? If he doesesn't positon madders. And obv. it's important that he do knows how to fold, if you got a tight image it helps too. Btw, did you consider 4-betting pre?

I don't like the river bet at all, he will look you up almost always here.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:05 PM
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Default Re: Bluffing in 3-bet pot

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ur right position isn't important in poker.

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Haha

Maybe I was a bit unclear,

If we are in position... we are going to shove over his CB.
If we are OOP... we are going to CR over his CB.

Obviously he will check sometimes when we have position and that gives us more options, but most villain CB like always after a 3-bet and hence it isn't a big deal.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:11 PM
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Default Re: Bluffing in 3-bet pot

when he has position if he is good he isn't going to be c-betting the flop every time.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:13 PM
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I have seen Brian do this w/ 65s against one who he thought 3-bet to much. That's the reason I wanted to try it out.

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You're not applying Brian's concept correctly. In order to excute this play optimally, you need a good post-flop read on your villain. Brian shoved on his gutshot because he had a read that the villain plays aggressively with weak hands his strong hands passively. Once you have that read, you can safely shove over his cbet after he 3bets pre because there's a decent chance he's FOS and will fold to your shove. However, if you don't know how he plays his strong and weak hands PLUS you're out of position, you need to keep it standard and give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:16 PM
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Why do position matters? I actually like it when we are OOP, b/c he's more inclined to c-bet with his somewhat weak range.

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[img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] dear god...
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:21 PM
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ur right position isn't important in poker.

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doesnt matter THAT much in 3bet pots to be honest.

bet -> arr in. done with hand.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:29 PM
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then why not just call 3bets w/ SCs OOP all the time?
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:32 PM
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Default Re: Bluffing in 3-bet pot

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ur right position isn't important in poker.

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doesnt matter THAT much in 3bet pots to be honest.

bet -> arr in. done with hand.

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Thank you. Exactly what I mean. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Besides I dunno why it would be wrong to check/shove over CB if you think someone is 3-betting to light, isn't that a good way to exploit that? Of course you could 4-bet as well, but with a hand like 56s I don't mind this.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:35 PM
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fold pf to reraise

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calling pf with this hand oop against a wide 3betting range and no reads on how he plays in 3bet pots is suicidal.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:35 PM
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then why not just call 3bets w/ SCs OOP all the time?

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Maybe because villain will most likely adjust?
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