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Old 08-15-2006, 05:51 AM
c_strong c_strong is offline
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Default Party $50NL - bottom two vs resistance from loose passive

Villain is 36/6/1 after 200+ hands with a WSD of 30%. I can't quite get a handle on his post flop play, but he generally seems to be a calling station, except that he often bets quite big on the river. I'm playing TAG but am not catching much and have folded to his river bets a couple of times.

A few hands he's played this session (on a different table where he's directly to my left):

I open from the button, he calls with A9 from the SB, he check/calls a 5 8 9 flop and the turn 6 and river 6 are checked down.

I open from the button, he calls from the SB, he check/calls pot on a T Q K two suited flop, and bets the pot on an offsuit J turn, I fold.

On to the hand:

$50 NL Texas Hold'em
Hero is SB with $49.10
BB $60.66
UTG $43.96
MP Villain $119.16
CO poster $15
Button $50


Dealt to Hero [ 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
UTG calls [$0.50].
Villain calls [$0.50].
CO times out
Button folds
Hero calls [$0.25].
BB checks.

Pot $2.50
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
Hero bets [$2].
BB calls [$2].
UTG folds
Villain raises [$8]

What's my action? And if I'm neither folding nor pushing, what's my plan for the rest of the hand?
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:07 AM
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Default Re: Party $50NL - bottom two vs resistance from loose passive

Make it 18, BB folds, villain calls, get it in on any turn.
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:07 AM
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Default Re: Party $50NL - bottom two vs resistance from loose passive

Facing such a coordinated board oop, you need more than 4 clean outs to continue.
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:10 AM
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Default Re: Party $50NL - bottom two vs resistance from loose passive

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Facing such a coordinated board oop, you need more than 4 clean outs to continue.

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I think hero is ahead a lot of the time.
Besides, there's always the backdoor flush
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:17 AM
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Default Re: Party $50NL - bottom two vs resistance from loose passive

I guess the strength of the loose passive read really matters here. If I'm sure he's passive, I let it go.

Cam
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:33 AM
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Default Re: Party $50NL - bottom two vs resistance from loose passive

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I guess the strength of the loose passive read really matters here. If I'm sure he's passive, I let it go.

Cam

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Hmm, after rereading the OP I think you are right.
Except for one thing:
Some players, though generally passive, tends to play TPTK fast on boards with a flush draw (though they never worry about a straight for some reason).
FWIW, this guy could be one of those people.

PS: I suck at playing two pair, and bottom two especially so
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Old 08-15-2006, 12:15 PM
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Default Re: Party $50NL - bottom two vs resistance from loose passive

bump
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Old 08-15-2006, 02:09 PM
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Default Re: Party $50NL - bottom two vs resistance from loose passive


I really hate this hand. A lot.

Isn't this likely an over pair trying to protect itself? I think a reraise is for Hero's stack but I can't see getting away from this.

But then again my winrate is exactly 0 over the past month or so, so maybe I don't know what the hell I'm talking about...
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Old 08-15-2006, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: Party $50NL - bottom two vs resistance from loose passive

He didnt raise preflop so an overpair is less likely. I call here and see what he does on the turn. If im gonna get it in, I'll do it on the turn.
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Old 08-15-2006, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: Party $50NL - bottom two vs resistance from loose passive

Fold, your dont know what good outs you have and you are probably not going to be payed of if you improve to a straight, most likely you are drawing to 2 good outs (so you get payed off)
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