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Old 01-29-2007, 07:19 AM
Dr_Mabuse101 Dr_Mabuse101 is offline
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Default NL 20: AK - Trapper became the Trappie

Villain is 44/26/1,36 over 100 Hands.
Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.20
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $25.85
UTG+1: $2.90
CO: $23.70
Button: $20.65
Hero: $22.85
BB: $26.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
4 folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($0.4, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $0.4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $0.8</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $11.2</font>. Hero ?
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Old 01-29-2007, 07:24 AM
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Default Re: NL 20: AK - Trapper became the Trappie

Folds. I think you should expect 84, K4, K8 and possibly even 44 or 88 (though less likely). If he had a hand you beat (a weaker K), would he really find it so hard to drop despite your large reraise? I think the title you chose for this thread nails it.
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Old 01-29-2007, 07:38 AM
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Default Re: NL 20: AK - Trapper became the Trappie

I think you shouldnt trap on these micro limits.
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Old 01-29-2007, 08:21 AM
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Default Re: NL 20: AK - Trapper became the Trappie

His stats suggest he's rarely this aggressive postflop. He has the goods. Fold.
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Old 01-29-2007, 08:45 AM
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Default Re: NL 20: AK - Trapper became the Trappie

Trapping with AA like this can be good.
Trapping with AK not so much.
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Old 01-29-2007, 08:56 AM
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Default Re: NL 20: AK - Trapper became the Trappie

if i openlimp at all its qq+ in SB or BU with hyperaggro blinds but AKo definitely needs pretection pf.
maybe you can openlimp more the weaker your opponents are postflop but i really have no clue how to decide wether my postfllop edge is big enough so i just raise @#!% up. (thanks tien)
winning one big blind off a folder in this situation is way better than having a tough decision postflop.
Villains 1.3 aggression doesn't say much but unless you have any notes about him overplaying stuff like TP2ndK terribly then this is a clear fold.
i have seen villains though whose stats totally misled me as i saw them make extremely bad plays which i took notes of. stats are a good thing to assist you but always take notes about strange plays that arent reflected in the stats.
might make decisions easier in a later encounter
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Old 01-29-2007, 09:10 AM
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Default Re: NL 20: AK - Trapper became the Trappie

I raise the sb HU almost always if I'm playing BB to narrow a little villans range, though given his stats I'm not sure if this is true.

Then when I lead flop and get raised I assume villan has a strongish holding and can act accordingly.

As played when he 4bets you on flop with 1,36 aggr I think folding is required.
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Old 01-29-2007, 09:41 AM
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Default Re: NL 20: AK - Trapper became the Trappie

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As played when he 4bets you on flop with 1,36 aggr I think folding is required.

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Just want to make an observation regarding ptstats that the collective memory of this forum always tend to forget.
Aggression is a relative number.
In isolation it is almost worthless.
Only when you see it in relation to vpip does it gain real meaning.

Example:
vpip 15 / aggr 1,36 = not all that aggressive
vpip 44 / aggr 1,36 = fairly aggressive

In the context of this hand I dont know how much these numbers can help us though.
FWIW I'd just call villain's flop minraise.
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Old 01-29-2007, 09:48 AM
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Default Re: NL 20: AK - Trapper became the Trappie

Raise preflop, fold the final flop raise. Very unlikely he does this with a KQ type hand and if you call I think you are calling to split. Easy fold for me.
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Old 01-29-2007, 09:51 AM
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Default Re: NL 20: AK - Trapper became the Trappie

Good point ticks.

FWIW I mean the fact that villan is 4betting Hero on the flop overshadows the 1,36 no., the PT stats just supports it.

BYW IUHO What number of hands do you consider agg factor to be useful?

As an aside we must also remember that PT aggresion is calculated on number of times bet/raised vs called so 50%vpip multi-street minbettors may appear aggressive with PT stats of 50/x/2 but really aren't.

FWIW I consider aggressive players that bet big/raise and often and make seperate notes to this affect.
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