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Old 09-28-2007, 12:58 AM
bottomset bottomset is offline
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Default 1/2 Putting myself in sticky situations

I haven't played with villian before, but did take a pot off him with a float(he limp/called OOP and lead a 335board I called with KQs bdfd and he c/f turn), he's only been at the table ~10hands

I feel I've been cbetting too much lately, so decided I to just check the flop here with a modest draw that I'd rather not get c/r'd off of

the turn is a brick, but he hasn't shown any interest, so I take a stab at it now(this may be a leak as its kind of tough to rep much here)

on the river I hit a pair and decide to put a valuebet in, his c/r surprised me, there are a few draws that missed anyone like looking him up here?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $75.05
BB: $123.75
UTG: $194.95
UTG+1: $323.85
MP1: $137.80
Hero (MP2): $470.20
MP3: $61.05
CO: $36.30
BTN: $34.35

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9 Players)
2 folds, MP1 calls $2.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, 5 folds, MP1 calls $8.00

Flop: ($23) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($23) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $16.00</font>, MP1 calls $16.00

River: ($55) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $30.00</font>, <font color="red">MP1 raises all-in to $111.80</font>, Hero calls??
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Old 09-28-2007, 01:00 AM
Mike Kelley Mike Kelley is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 Putting myself in sticky situations

No way.

Villain always has JT if it makes the nuts
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Old 09-28-2007, 01:06 AM
GrandMelon GrandMelon is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 Putting myself in sticky situations

naw too many 2 pair combos plus the chance villain is a slow playing moron makes this a fold
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Old 09-28-2007, 01:10 AM
Mike Kelley Mike Kelley is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 Putting myself in sticky situations

Do you not use a HUD bottomset? What's villains range? I don't see that many 2 pair combos that fit in a reasonable players hand. Only KQ, maybe Q9 but, that's pretty donkish don't you think?
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Old 09-28-2007, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: 1/2 Putting myself in sticky situations

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Do you not use a HUD bottomset?

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he's only been at the table ~10hands

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What's villains range? I don't see that many 2 pair combos that fit in a reasonable players hand. Only KQ, maybe Q9 but, that's pretty donkish don't you think?

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the way he called the turn made me think he was on a draw

JT got there, but T8, 64 and FDs missed as did a few pair+straight draw type hands
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Old 09-28-2007, 01:45 AM
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Default Re: 1/2 Putting myself in sticky situations

Against an unknown, if you aren't c-betting the flop, I hate betting the turn. As played, fold river.
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Old 09-28-2007, 01:54 AM
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Default Re: 1/2 Putting myself in sticky situations

I don't mind a river bet here, I just don't like the size of it without a good read that villian is a calling donk. If you're comfortable getting a potsize bet in on the river, I like a much smaller bet on the river. You induce more calls from a worse pair or King. You also can induce a raise from a missed spade draw or whatever...and you keep it all relatively cheap at the end. I think something like a $10-$15 river bet would do this.
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Old 09-28-2007, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: 1/2 Putting myself in sticky situations

I don't like the bet on the turn. Almost every hand he holds has a piece or draw on that board.
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Old 09-28-2007, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: 1/2 Putting myself in sticky situations

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. If you're comfortable getting a potsize bet in on the river, I like a much smaller bet on the river.

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I bet a little more than 1/2pot

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You also can induce a raise from a missed spade draw or whatever...and you keep it all relatively cheap at the end. I think something like a $10-$15 river bet would do this.

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so your plan is bet small, call a raise?
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Old 09-28-2007, 02:57 AM
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Default Re: 1/2 Putting myself in sticky situations

I C-bet the flop 100% of the time here.

As played, I check behind river.
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