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Old 10-05-2007, 12:58 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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villain seems at least ok, on the aggro/bluffy side in our short session. i probably look like i'm on the tight side.

Poker Stars, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $825
Hero (BB): $600

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
<font color="red">SB raises to $24</font>, Hero calls $18

Flop: ($48) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">SB bets $36</font>, Hero calls $36

Turn: ($120) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, SB checks

River: ($120) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">SB bets $84</font>, Hero calls $84

my feeling was the A didn't change anything. it obviously didn't change anything of whether or not i was ahead (i guess it helped a little technically since that was one fewer A that villain could have). and the fact that he bet really didn't worry me much either.

it's a decent bluffing spot for him (it would be a better one if there had been a flush draw on the flop that i could've missed). and it will probably stop him from running some thin vbets with hands like 77 or maybe even T8. he also should not be too worried that i have an A because i'd often bet the river with it. so it's going to make him bluff some more marginal spots and check behind some winners, so i decided to call.

edit: this is somewhat related to this post.
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:34 PM
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how is this going to stop him from value betting with 77?
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Old 10-05-2007, 02:53 PM
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cr river
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:22 PM
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what a goofy line
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:25 PM
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Default Re: HU hand from 10k post

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how is this going to stop him from value betting with 77?

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Old 10-05-2007, 09:13 PM
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how is this going to stop him from value betting with 77?

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it's sure going to make it less appealing. now i cannot pay him off with A hi, which is a big reason he would have vbet 77. where on a blank river i might pay off with A hi or K hi, now i might pay off with K hi but the odds that i called with Q hi is a lot less likely than with A hi. so there are fewer hands that i will pay off with. what exactly is he going to get paid off by?

on the flip side, if i have a hand like 77 as hero, there are fewer hands that he can pay off with now that A hi is off the table. and i know the A is a good bluff card so i will play my 77+ as a bluff-catcher more often. so i'm more likely to c/c with a better hand than 77.

fwiw, replace 77 with 33 if you think that's a more convincing argument.
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Old 10-05-2007, 10:08 PM
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why isn't AT a possible holding for villain? or a 4? if he had A high the whole way you think he checks behind on the river?
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Old 10-05-2007, 10:26 PM
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why isn't AT a possible holding for villain? or a 4? if he had A high the whole way you think he checks behind on the river?

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those hands are possible and he obv vbets Ax on the river. i'm not saying i'm going to win the hand 100%.
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Old 10-05-2007, 10:41 PM
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he also should not be too worried that i have an A because i'd often bet the river with it

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not sure how the above statement could logically lead you to the conclusion below
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so it's going to make him bluff some more marginal spots and check behind some winners

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if you rarely have an ace there he can vb even thinner
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Old 10-05-2007, 10:45 PM
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he also should not be too worried that i have an A because i'd often bet the river with it

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not sure how the above statement could logically lead you to the conclusion below
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so it's going to make him bluff some more marginal spots and check behind some winners

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if you rarely have an ace there he can vb even thinner

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not if i'm turning more decent hands into bluff-catchers. Tx for example. i think it makes him check a lot more so-so hands and it polarizes his range.
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