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Old 09-30-2007, 08:37 AM
Baintz Baintz is offline
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Default NL50: AK, 3 maniacs, 400BB stacks

Was playing an insane table last night. 3 guys were involved in virtually every pot, with 15BB being a standard open raise, huge bluffs everywhere, and very thin calldowns (3rd pair) for 200BB happening alot. I was pretty much card dead and only getting involved with premiums. Had only shown down 1 hand though. No stats as I was playing HUDless.

I got most of my stack in this hand against the loosest of the three.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $275.28
Hero (BB): $103.55
UTG: $241.73
MP: $48.50
CO: $50.00
BTN: $189.26

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.50, MP folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $2.50</font>, BTN calls $2.50, SB calls $2.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $16.00</font>, 3 folds, SB calls $13.50

Flop: ($37.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $20.00</font>, SB calls $20.00

Turn: ($77.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $67.55</font>, SB calls $67.55

River: ($212.60) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $212.60 ($3 Rake)

SB had J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (high card King) and LOST (-$103.55)
Hero had J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Jacks) and WON (+$106.05)


The guy on my left was probably the biggest loon, and had shown a tendency to squeeze big with ATC, especially against the open raiser, who he was having a personal war with.
So I decided to flat call AK here and hope he squeezed again. The caller of the big rr is the same guy that called with J5dd in the hand above.

So the question is do I make a 4-bet to around 50, or just shove now? Seeing a flop didn't really appeal knowing how lightly I would be called or bluffed off the best hand, but is shoving overkill here?


Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $47.50
BB: $100.43
UTG: $50.00
MP: $160.07
Hero (CO): $206.40
BTN: $246.54

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2.00</font>, MP calls $2.00, Hero calls $2.00, <font color="red">BTN raises to $17.00</font>, 3 folds, MP calls $15.00, <font color="red">Hero???
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Old 09-30-2007, 08:45 AM
whyzze whyzze is offline
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Default Re: NL50: AK, 3 maniacs, 400BB stacks

so why did you flat call hoping he squeezed and then get scared? You are crushing MP's range and he what he has in there is dead money. You should be happy if he calls.

What were you going to do if button 'squeezed'. Your plan should not have changed.


fwiw. I 3bet this the first time around.
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Old 09-30-2007, 08:48 AM
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Default Re: NL50: AK, 3 maniacs, 400BB stacks

3bet first time. i call here every time against this villain. you´re getting better than 2-1 and you most prob have way more than 30% equity
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Old 09-30-2007, 08:51 AM
Baintz Baintz is offline
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Default Re: NL50: AK, 3 maniacs, 400BB stacks

No, not scared as I know I 'm crushing both their ranges. Just wondering whether to 4-bet to 50 or shove now.
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Old 09-30-2007, 08:54 AM
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Default Re: NL50: AK, 3 maniacs, 400BB stacks

shove. Sounds like they wil call 50 and aren't folding any pair/draw. Get it in now while you have the most equity and FE.
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Old 09-30-2007, 10:47 AM
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Default Re: NL50: AK, 3 maniacs, 400BB stacks

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shove. Sounds like they wil call 50 and aren't folding any pair/draw. Get it in now while you have the most equity and FE.

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You're contradicting. How can it be good that we have the most equity AND the most FE this way? If we have the most equity this way we don't want any FE.
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:05 PM
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Default Re: NL50: AK, 3 maniacs, 400BB stacks

I don't understand your post flop $20 raise... Showing the king on the flop kills your hand's win %?
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:27 PM
Trogdor! Trogdor! is offline
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Default Re: NL50: AK, 3 maniacs, 400BB stacks

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I don't understand your post flop $20 raise... Showing the king on the flop kills your hand's win %?

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villian had J5, obv value bet

also villians party name plz
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Old 09-30-2007, 01:06 PM
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Default Re: NL50: AK, 3 maniacs, 400BB stacks

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I don't understand your post flop $20 raise... Showing the king on the flop kills your hand's win %?

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This particular villain probably would have called a push w 66, clear valuebet
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