KK 200 + BBs deep...AI 5 bet

[rand]

so villain is a pretty standard 2,4 FT reg
his name is gollum63 and he runs at 23/16/2 over like 4k hands

i assume everyone 4bets this here...but who calls the shove?

fwiw he shoved almost instantly

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $443.30
UTG: $584.70
Hero (MP): $908.90
CO: $443
BTN: $1,028.50
SB: $429.30

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $52</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $145</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1,028.50 and is All-In</font>

Results: $296 Pot
BTN mucked and WON $296 (+$151 NET)

thoughts?

[lkjhgfdsa]

do not 4bet w/ o intention of snapcalling a shove.

[ArturiusX]

4bet/folding the second nuts is pretty bad. Call.

[OneTimeAce]

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4bet/folding the second nuts is pretty bad. Call.

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Yeah, how can you 4-bet this and then fold.

[fees]

call, suckout, profit?

[Laetus]

I like a call pre if you don't think you can 4-bet/call profitable.

[d2themfi]

yeah seems like your options should be to call the 3bet or 4bet and call a shove, I hate 4betting and folding to the shove

[rand]

so who just calls the 3bet and who 4bet/calls?

[FireStorm]

Fairly obvious fold. People advocating calls are those who usually figure ZOMG I HAVE KK, call, and then watch the chips ship across the table.

I do agree there is merit here to just calling the 3 bet if you don't plan to get it all in preflop.

[d2themfi]

I like 4betting calling a shove esp with the instashove