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Old 09-22-2007, 01:23 PM
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Default Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq

with 1/3rd of your chips in I don't see how you can fold this in a sng.
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Old 09-22-2007, 01:47 PM
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Default Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq

FWIW I think this is a call with 22 or 76s. It's a lot closer with KK because a lot of your outs are dead.
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:35 PM
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Default Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq

you just said it was 8 handed. So you arent making the money if people get knocked out. You are getting set odds, not to mention you are ahead a decent amount of the time, AK, QQ, JJ, or some combination is possible
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq

In these multi-way all ins when everyone has a big pair pokerstars gives the set to the lowest pair.
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:50 PM
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Default Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq

Ehm i really can't see how such decent amount can be >5%.
so utg had JJ, button pushed QQ, bb called with AK and utg called allin with JJ knowing he was reraised by hero? I think someone must really treat hes opponents as morons to expect not to see AA here..
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Old 09-22-2007, 04:01 PM
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Default Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq

I don't think you're ever ahead considering the actions of UTG and the fact that he is a solid thinking player. The only hands in his range are AA and KK...maybe QQ a very very small percentage of the time, but doubtful. That said, you do have set odds and I don't think I can find a fold here.
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Old 09-22-2007, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq

if bb is actually a reasonably winning player his range is KK and AA, for the record.
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Old 09-22-2007, 04:40 PM
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Default Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq

Ya BB is really terrible for a reg.
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Old 09-22-2007, 05:29 PM
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Default Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq

About the mystic set odds :

Hand 0: 62.668% 58.47% 04.20% 3566039472 256123095.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 12.090% 11.92% 00.17% 727178256 10213155.00 { KK }
Hand 2: 11.741% 08.90% 02.84% 543009096 173065119.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 3: 13.500% 11.83% 01.67% 721564092 101828643.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

I really think JJ is too loose for given action, but even in this case we don't have pot odds to call.
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Old 09-22-2007, 08:27 PM
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Default Re: 27- Fold KK Pre?? omgwtfbbq

I think a fold here is necessary. Even without consulting ICM, it's more than possible that an A is going to hit and you're going to lose all your chips. Yeah, it sucks that you invested 1/3 of your stack, but it was a fine play and there's nothing you can do about it now.

With all-in call call it doubtful that your KK is going to hold up. 7.5/1 odds to hit a set are not quite good enough.
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