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Old 11-24-2007, 08:02 PM
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Default hand street by street

UTG is unknown, as is rest of table

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero?

do we like raising to isolate since our hand wont improve often or just smooth calling and letting in the blinds, i dont like 4 way cuz its much tougher to win it with 66 here, thoughts?
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:06 PM
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Default Re: hand street by street

I would def raise this, assuming you get it hu which should happen your hand becomes much easier to play having postion. If you just call you are basically playing for set value and there is no gaurantee that the sb will come along aswell reducing your odds.
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:06 PM
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Default Re: hand street by street

normally i fold against an unknown but i play 1/2...
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:07 PM
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Default Re: hand street by street

my steadily growing gut says raise &gt; fold &gt; call and fold &gt; raise &gt; call if he were 3 off he button vs. 2 off the button.
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:08 PM
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yea i agree miles, i dont like calling cuz its usually 4 way with the fish and real hard to win if we dont hit a set, so i raised
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:09 PM
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Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero?

3 betting can get us value but no fold equity and turn and river are certain to be overs usually. SB could be a fish but could be a strong player smooth calling here PF with a middle PP. I think calling here is best but thoughts?
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:10 PM
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fold

we know nothing about anyone at the table. 3betting 66 vs an OTB+2 open raise is pushing a thin edge at best, and with no knowledge of villains tendencies we are more likely to make mistakes postflop.

also 3betting here loses its effectiveness when the blinds are loose. it would be nice to know something about them. 66 does not have an equity edge on most players OTB+2 raising range, picking up dead money is a big part of what can make 3betting preflop profitable.
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:10 PM
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if stats were known and the SB was super aggro and UTG was a loose station 3 betting is maybe okay here, otherwise i think it is a spew but i think i see so many guys here reraising me on dry boards these days trying to steal.
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:12 PM
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fold

we know nothing about anyone at the table. 3betting 66 vs an OTB+2 open raise is pushing a thin edge at best, and with no knowledge of villains tendencies we are more likely to make mistakes postflop.

also 3betting here loses its effectiveness when the blinds are loose. it would be nice to know something about them. 66 does not have an equity edge on most players OTB+2 raising range, picking up dead money is a big part of what can make 3betting preflop profitable.

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agreed, i like this thought process alot, so given tight blinds 3 betting is prolly good cuz the extra dead money, vs loose blinds its a spew, i agree completely yourface
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:14 PM
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on the turn i really dont put a 3 in his range, if he has a middle PP we are nearly drawing dead with little implied odds, stats would help a ton to see if villain made these steal plays alot
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