KK way too tight?

[InsideEdge]

Both the opening players are around 18/14 from a fair sample.

was planning on shoving over any flop bet, bad?

UTG has to have a set here doesnt he? Or was i seeing monsters under the bed?




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5 players, seat 3 is the button

Seat 6: SB ($68.27)
Seat 1: CO ($107.70)
Seat 3: <font color="#C80000">Hero</font> ($100.00)
Seat 8: BB ($223.95)
Seat 10: UTG ($124.30)

SB posts small blind, $0.50
BB posts big blind, $1.00

Dealing to <font color="#C80000">Hero</font>:
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UTG raises to $4
CO raises to $14
<font color="#C80000">Hero</font> calls
SB folds
BB folds
UTG calls

Dealing flop: (Pot is $43.50)
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UTG checks
CO checks
<font color="#C80000">Hero</font> checks

Dealing turn: (Pot is $43.50)
5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

UTG bets $23
CO folds
<font color="#C80000">Hero</font> folds

Showdown is hidden

[Munificence]

Wow... this is pretty bad.

I like a preflop reraise. It gives your hand away to a certain extent, but also drives out all but a few hands, and the pot is big enough that taking it down is fine. With only 5 players, the UTG reraise could very well be any ATC defending the blinds, but is probably an A.

Why check the flop? Are you so sure you're beat? If you're read was QQ or JJ, you should've reraise preflop anyway.

I don't see how you could fold on the turn either. The only way you're going to know if you're beat is to bet out on the flop.

[KCrow]

I shove pf as you're only 100bb deep. CO could be 3bet pf with JJ+, AK, AQs and possibly TT. As played I don't mind a fold. UTG's like looks pretty strong, could easily have checked the flop with the intention of a CRAI.

[Munificence]

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I shove pf as you're only 100bb deep. CO could be 3bet pf with JJ+, AK, AQs and possibly TT. As played I don't mind a fold. UTG's like looks pretty strong, could easily have checked the flop with the intention of a CRAI.

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We agree about shoving preflop, but in a 5 handed game I don't think the 3 bet preflop signals nearly as much strength as it would in a ring game. You have to at least test the waters on the flop, and if they shove into you, it's a pretty easy fold.

[Suwalski]

I 4bet preflop often, cuz i don't wanna play a 3bet pot multiway.

[Munificence]

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I 4bet preflop often, cuz i don't wanna play a 3bet pot multiway.

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Yeah, I think 4 betting PF is definitely your best +EV.

[Hosehound25]

4bet PF. Bet flop. As played call turn and reevaluate river.

[Dire]

I like shoving rather than just 4-betting preflop. $100 NL players seem to instantly put you on AK when you 4-bet shove preflop in almost any situation. As played, all streets are pretty bad - especially the turn fold.

[Some9]

yeah lets turn KK into 22 lolz

[chiTown22]

At SSNL it is not neccessary to get cute with your hands. You have KK make a raise preflop, and play it strong. You do not need to do anything special to induce mistakes in your opponents at SSNL. Make good +EV decisions every single hand and let others make the mistakes.