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11-16-2007, 03:40 PM
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Re: how i retooled my game after a downswing
should be added to the sticky, nihan
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#22
11-16-2007, 03:46 PM
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Re: how i retooled my game after a downswing
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should be deleted immediately before the games get even tougher, nihan [/ QUOTE ] FYP
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#23
11-16-2007, 04:16 PM
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Re: how i retooled my game after a downswing
some people who are playing against callingstations stop Cbetting very much as they are called so frequently. i believe this to be the wrong approach. these guys call with any draw, any pair, overcards, overcard, undercards? a bunch of worthless trash in other words. so you can Cbet alot of things FOR VALUE that you wouldn't dream of doing normally. so when i Cbet a whiffed AK against a calling station, i am not burning money, i am valuebetting, because on average, he is gonna be calling the flop with worse than my holding. so i am Cbetting flops with A hi for value on any flop, especially draw heavy boards as he will be calling the most on these type of flops. against these players, you can also Cbet bigger amounts, up to the size of the pot, because they will call with worse, trust me.
yes they will but you almost never can second barrel the turn for value and he will never fold a better hand, so you check the turn and he gets two cards for the price of one, making many of his 'bad' flop calls correct say you cbet 22 on a drawy board, turn is a blank ... i don't think there is value in a second barrel and you aren't folding a pair, you check, he checks behind (or he checks you check behind whatever) and gets to see a free river => every time he called with 2 overs and a gutshot he didn't make a mistake on the flop (he made a mistake vs our range ofc, but that doesn't really matter much because just valuebetting our good hands (and middle pair on a drawy board is certainly good enough for valuebetting the turn vds a station) is a strategy that will make us even more $$) because he gets to see two cards ... i once did the math on a 80% pot cbet or something with 22 on a Th9h3c board, when villain calls with Ah8d he isn't making a mistake because the turn goes check check
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#25
11-16-2007, 05:03 PM
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Re: how i retooled my game after a downswing
sticky fo sho plz
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11-16-2007, 05:20 PM
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Re: how i retooled my game after a downswing
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some people who are playing against callingstations stop Cbetting very much as they are called so frequently. i believe this to be the wrong approach. these guys call with any draw, any pair, overcards, overcard, undercards? a bunch of worthless trash in other words. so you can Cbet alot of things FOR VALUE that you wouldn't dream of doing normally. so when i Cbet a whiffed AK against a calling station, i am not burning money, i am valuebetting, because on average, he is gonna be calling the flop with worse than my holding. so i am Cbetting flops with A hi for value on any flop, especially draw heavy boards as he will be calling the most on these type of flops. against these players, you can also Cbet bigger amounts, up to the size of the pot, because they will call with worse, trust me. yes they will but you almost never can second barrel the turn for value and he will never fold a better hand, so you check the turn and he gets two cards for the price of one, making many of his 'bad' flop calls correct say you cbet 22 on a drawy board, turn is a blank ... i don't think there is value in a second barrel and you aren't folding a pair, you check, he checks behind (or he checks you check behind whatever) and gets to see a free river => every time he called with 2 overs and a gutshot he didn't make a mistake on the flop (he made a mistake vs our range ofc, but that doesn't really matter much because just valuebetting our good hands (and middle pair on a drawy board is certainly good enough for valuebetting the turn vds a station) is a strategy that will make us even more $$) because he gets to see two cards ... i once did the math on a 80% pot cbet or something with 22 on a Th9h3c board, when villain calls with Ah8d he isn't making a mistake because the turn goes check check [/ QUOTE ] interesting point. 22 is a pretty horrible hand though as everyone has at least 6 outs against it and usually more. if you saw he had a GS + 2 overs you would bet the flop though wouldn't you, as you are currently ahead of him. and him getting to see the river for free is surely better then him getting to see the turn and river for free imo. i think alot of these situations are very marginal, but we are really trying to push every edge to squeeze out value
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#28
11-18-2007, 10:37 PM
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Re: how i retooled my game after a downswing
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Great post! Excited to try to implement some of these suggestions. Quick question... are these winrates in terms of actual BB/100, or PTBB/100? Which do most people tend to use when talking about winrates? Thanks.
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#29
11-18-2007, 10:47 PM
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Re: how i retooled my game after a downswing
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SH- Great post! Excited to try to implement some of these suggestions. Quick question... are these winrates in terms of actual BB/100, or PTBB/100? Which do most people tend to use when talking about winrates? Thanks. [/ QUOTE ] Most of everybody uses PTBB.
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#30
11-19-2007, 09:03 AM
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Re: how i retooled my game after a downswing
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SH- Great post! Excited to try to implement some of these suggestions. Quick question... are these winrates in terms of actual BB/100, or PTBB/100? Which do most people tend to use when talking about winrates? Thanks. [/ QUOTE ] ptbb/100. if in doubt you can work it out by looking at the money won and the hands played
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