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#31
11-12-2007, 03:35 PM
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Re: Monster Draw played passively on flop
I promise to stop the hijack after just one more post....I am sure David did not want this thread to be about preflop, but rather does he make a play on the flop and turn now that it is HU after the BB bet into a gaggle of players. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
[ QUOTE ] while it decreases our postflop edge, it also decreases the cost of being OOP. if nothing else, these two things should pretty much cancel each other out. [/ QUOTE ] How does raising preflop decrease the "cost" of being OOP? -Rico 
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#32
11-12-2007, 04:19 PM
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Re: Monster Draw played passively on flop
[ QUOTE ]
I promise to stop the hijack after just one more post....I am sure David did not want this thread to be about preflop, but rather does he make a play on the flop and turn now that it is HU after the BB bet into a gaggle of players. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [ QUOTE ] while it decreases our postflop edge, it also decreases the cost of being OOP. if nothing else, these two things should pretty much cancel each other out. [/ QUOTE ] How does raising preflop decrease the "cost" of being OOP? -Rico [/ QUOTE ] the same way it can decrease the value of having position. to avoid further hijackage i'm gonna pm my thoughts on this. sorry david.
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#33
11-13-2007, 01:43 AM
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Re: Monster Draw played passively on flop
*Grunch*
If you were planning to checkraise... why didn't you?
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#34
11-13-2007, 11:56 AM
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Re: Monster Draw played passively on flop
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It sucks to have a draw like this and barely be a favorite against any Ace. [/ QUOTE ] What sucks is playing a smal pot with this hand. You have to rely on how these players play after the flop. You should have some idea if this hand will be bet or not. If you are in doubt that money will be going into this pot, then start betting. The worst case is that you get heads up, and that's still +EV. But you have a lot more to gain on the plus side if things go medium case or best case. In other words, you have more to gain by betting and things going well than you have to lose by betting and things going poorly.
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#35
11-13-2007, 11:58 AM
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Re: Monster Draw played passively on flop
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[ QUOTE ] Its perfectly reasonable and I often play big draws passively to preserve my implied odds. I would bet the flop to avoid spots where its checked to the co for example and he bets, but since you didnt I like a c/c. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not so sure about this. A little more than half the time we get there it's with the flush. The flush card usually kills our action, IMO, unless someone has us beat. I'd rather just stuff the flop and keep the lead. [/ QUOTE ] That also helps disguise your hand if you do hit the flush, increasing your implied odds.
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#36
11-13-2007, 12:00 PM
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Re: Monster Draw played passively on flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] raise pf. bet the flop. [/ QUOTE ] What is your goal with the preflop raise? [/ QUOTE ] to make more money. against all of those limpers who are coming in with all kinds of crap, we have a pretty decent edge 6(or even 5 handed). i would speculate our 9Ts has at around 20-24% equity pf 6 ways. [/ QUOTE ] You're playing what will hopefully be a good draw from first position, which is bad, and you're paying more money preflop to give yourself the privelege of doing that. Not a good idea.
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#37
11-13-2007, 12:02 PM
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Re: Monster Draw played passively on flop
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I was thinking that our position might take too much equity for raising to make sense. I think the worst suited connector I raise here is like QJ. I don't ever raise pp smaller than TT from the SB either. [/ QUOTE ] Playing for a set is a lot different than playing for a draw. Draws played out of position are more difficult and less profitabel to play than in position. With sets is doesn't matter because you know what your hand is on the flop. If you have 22 in the SB and you raise 8 limpers that's fine. Position is much less of an issue when playing this hand.
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#38
11-13-2007, 12:05 PM
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Re: Monster Draw played passively on flop
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so if you're in LP you like the raise? are you saying in LP you don't get "tied to the pot"? [/ QUOTE ] Getting tied to the pot isn't the issue. The issue is the quality of your decisions post flop. Playing this hand (i.e. hopefully a good draw) on the button leads to higher quality decisions and therefore better chance at profit when played from the button than from the SB.
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#39
11-13-2007, 12:08 PM
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Re: Monster Draw played passively on flop
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How does raising preflop decrease the "cost" of being OOP? [/ QUOTE ] I assume he means you are going to be playing OOP whether you like it or not, but you are willfully paying more for the privelege of playing OOP when you don't have to.
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#40
11-13-2007, 02:47 PM
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Re: Monster Draw played passively on flop
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*Grunch* If you were planning to checkraise... why didn't you? [/ QUOTE ] Because his plan was to try and c/r the field. Well, when it came back to him, it was HU so he changed courses. Don't you change plans(or at least re-assess) when the situation that presents itself is different than the one you planned? b
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