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Old 11-13-2007, 04:50 PM
TheyCallMeDonk TheyCallMeDonk is offline
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Default Can I call here? Blind War

Villain is a good player, I guess he's a 2+2er also
he's 23/16/5

No IQ poker 0.50/1.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker


Button Button ($98.50)</font>
SB ($93.70)
Hero BB ($118.82)</font>
UTG ($35.50)
UTG+1 ($98.50)
CO ($51.70)

Hero A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Preflop: , 3 folds, Button raises to 4.00, 1 fold, BB raises to 13.00, Button calls 10.00.

Flop (28.50) 4 8 6
BB bets 22.00, Button moves all-in for 84.50, BB ?
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:56 PM
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Default Re: Can I call here? Blind War

Just do the math...

I'd fold pre though
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:00 PM
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Default Re: Can I call here? Blind War

I dont like 3bet w/ a hand that has no value.
The call is probably neutral EV, your odds are 2.3:1 and you have probably 9 outs clean + 3A.
I don't mind calling if you decided to 3bet A3o.
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:31 PM
EasyAs1-2-3 EasyAs1-2-3 is offline
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Default Re: Can I call here? Blind War

I don't like this 3bet at all unless he's been getting way out of line and you plan on stealing/shutting down if called. I think calling and folding are both OK and player dependent. Against said villain I'm folding.
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:33 PM
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Default Re: Can I call here? Blind War

Fold pre. I'd CRAI on this flop because of this specific situation - and we don't mind a free card, plus most aggro people love stabbing at 3bet (and really any) pots when the PFR checks to them.
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:36 PM
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Default Re: Can I call here? Blind War

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Fold pre. I'd CRAI on this flop because of this specific situation - and we don't mind a free card, plus most aggro people love stabbing at 3bet (and really any) pots when the PFR checks to them.

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If we're playing this hand past pre I really like this line.
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:44 PM
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Default Re: Can I call here? Blind War

you have to call now, you nearly have odds versus a made flush, and you almost always have three pair outs (usually the A but he could have e.g. AxQh in which case your 3 is live).

crai is a million times better though
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Old 11-14-2007, 04:05 PM
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Default Re: Can I call here? Blind War

LFTV

could you elaborate on why you like a CRAI on the flop? What perceived range do you think this gives us?

Also, do you have any thoughts on preflop? I was thinking we have decent FE here due to villains wide opening range and his position...
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