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Old 11-25-2006, 05:51 PM
VorShot VorShot is offline
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Default Standard 3 bet OOP?

<font color="blue"> Just sat down. Is it a bad idea to 3 bet OOP againts a table with no reads? Calling seemed wrong, as did folding. </font>

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $11.70
UTG+1: $10
CO: $4.90
Button: $3.40
VorShot: $10.70
BB: $9.05

Pre-flop: (6 players) VorShot is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $0.45</font>, CO folds, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">VorShot raises to $2</font>

<font color="blue"> How much should i c-bet if i miss and only get one caller? </font>
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Old 11-25-2006, 06:07 PM
Mercman572 Mercman572 is offline
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Default Re: Standard 3 bet OOP?

If the table is generally LP (I know you just sat down, but I mean the 10NL game and site you play in general), calling is more than OK. If they know how to fold to scary raises, then as played is OK. You have to be the judge of that.
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Old 11-25-2006, 06:14 PM
avfletch avfletch is offline
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Default Re: Standard 3 bet OOP?

If all three options seem horrible then you're generally better off throwing the hand away. It costs you a tiny little bit of EV to throw a hand away preflop (just pretend it was 72o) and save yourself all the difficult decisions that will inevitably follow.

That said here I'm quite happy to put in a squeeze reraise and fire out about 3/4 PSB on the flop if I get a single caller.
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Old 11-25-2006, 06:37 PM
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Default Re: Standard 3 bet OOP?

I'd squeeze a little more, maybe $2.3. C-bet with one caller is probably 2/3-3/4 pot depending on dryness of the board.
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Old 11-25-2006, 07:51 PM
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Default Re: Standard 3 bet OOP?

I have lost a lot of money 3betting from the blinds against unknowns so I don't do that anymore. I'd say your better options are call and fold. I'm calling this, but I can definitely see a fold here.
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Old 11-25-2006, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: Standard 3 bet OOP?

I don't like the idea of 3-betting out of the blinds with AQ, you are out of position and you don't know where you stand
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Old 11-25-2006, 09:25 PM
VorShot VorShot is offline
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Default Re: Standard 3 bet OOP?

Won't 3-betting here though give me a better idea of where i stand?
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Old 11-25-2006, 09:34 PM
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Default Re: Standard 3 bet OOP?

I'm not sure, but if he folds you're ahead, if he calls still don't really know, and your oop.

I don't completely dislike reraising, but I'm with Gravy, and would have made it something like 2.25.

3 betting has it's advantages, and will gain you the lead in the betting and get the pot likely heads up, and if you both whiff, you can possibly force out an equal or slightly better hand post flop.

However, I've recently noticed that when 3 betting preflop w/ AQs and getting played with, I'm rarely way ahead, and often being behind.
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Old 11-25-2006, 09:36 PM
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Default Re: Standard 3 bet OOP?

You only get called by better hands so when your bet gets called you still don't know where you stand. Or am I off
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Old 11-25-2006, 09:56 PM
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Default Re: Standard 3 bet OOP?

I don't raise from the blinds, unless I have some reads on the opponents...here I'll probably just call.
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