NL 200, quick linecheck with AA and AK

makelovenotwar · #1 11-25-2007, 08:25 PM

I am running at 18/16/4 and villain in this hand is at 17/14/3.5 over 150 hands.

My rationale for checkcalling flop and turn is that I am either way behind or way ahead - and if I am way ahead I have the flushdraw at least. Any thoughts on riverplay?

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MP ($236.65)
Button ($410)
SB ($76.30)
BB ($314.85)
Hero ($208.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $7, MP calls $7, 2 folds, BB calls $5.

Flop: ($22) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $15, BB folds, Hero calls $15.

Turn: ($52) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $35, Hero calls $35.

River: ($122) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $50, MP folds.

Final Pot: $122

Next hand is in position with AK against a complete unknown shortish stack. At the time I just pushed assuming his limpraise meant he is a complete donk.

After the session I went over the hand and thought - hang on why do I push if I have zero fold equity given his stack size. Anyone in favor of just calling and folding if flop missed us? Obvious downside is that I dont really get any value if he is just generally "donking it up" with any two or Ax.

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SB ($386.70)
BB ($347.95)
UTG ($189)
[color=#C00000]MP ($88.30)
[color=#C00000]Hero ($194)

Preflop: Hero is Button with

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[color=#666666]1 fold, MP calls $2, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $10, [color=#666666]2 folds, [color=#CC3333]MP raises to $20, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $204 (All-In), MP calls $70.30 (All-In).

Flop: ($183.60)

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[color=#0000FF](2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($183.60)

[color=#0000FF](2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($183.60)

[color=#0000FF](2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $183.60

the machine · #2 11-25-2007, 08:30 PM

bet flop turn and river in hand one, and be happy about getting it AI on the flop or turn.

hand 2 good <50BB's + AK = AI

members_only · #3 11-25-2007, 08:34 PM

Hand 1 - on the flop you have 9 outs to the nut flush, how could you be way behind? Just bet for value. As played, your river play seems fine.

Hand 2 - getting all in with AK for < 50 bb is fine. Watch out though, because some donks only reraise/limp-reraise with a very tight range. Flat call is bad imo - your hand really wants to see all five cards.

makelovenotwar · #4 11-25-2007, 08:35 PM

in hand #1, which hand that I am beating will I get action from though? I am usually never a fan of check/calling but in this particular instance it felt so right :-)

the machine · #5 11-25-2007, 08:37 PM

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in hand #1, which hand that I am beating will I get action from though? I am usually never a fan of check/calling but in this particular instance it felt so right :-)

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plenty of flush draws call bets. if he doesnt have a flush draw but some made hand and a 4th diamond rolls off you lose all action.

there is def value in betting this flop. thats my default, pending some read id be ok with check calling as long as you dont fold at any point in the hand regardless of cards that come out

members_only · #6 11-25-2007, 08:38 PM

8s, 99-KK (esp with fd), worse fds. Lots of stuff

orange · #7 11-25-2007, 08:59 PM

AA played weak, bet/call the flop and just keep betting and don't stop betting.

AK is standard given stacks...

dirtylobster · #8 11-25-2007, 09:26 PM

Hand #1 - bet/bet/bet
Hand #2 - AK is the nuts 50bb deep, get it in every time

angry hobo · #9 11-26-2007, 12:20 AM

i dont like c/c c/c bet with overpair and nut fd. c/r flop. bet/call turn. bet river. be more agressive with a hand like that. c/c c/c practically screams ace of diamonds you werent getting paid off at all. may as well have had AsAh.

second had. limp rr screams big pair to me, but i guess the play is fine given stacks and your read on him as a donk.

SSES · #10 11-26-2007, 01:09 AM

AA is horrible

bet/raise/shove flop we are way ahead or close to even at worst, even against top set we have like 11 outs. terrible weak play and you need to go read up on the meaning of WA/WB because it has no relevance here.

hand 2 is fine. based on his stack sizes he a) has a wide range, and b) is a fish