The hardest spot in micro stakes poker? JJ from the SB

[ama0330]

<font color="blue">I believe this is one of the hardest spots to figure out in uNL - mid strength hands from the SB where the flop is threatening. I have some theories about what is the best line and whatnot but I'm posting this more for you guys because I'm interested in what the genral consensus is about this hand.

Villain is standard, 19/16/3 over a good sample, no history this session and he's just a meow chow TAG, but you respect his game. Assume for now that there is no metagame or specific image involved.

Comment on the hand on all streets, and list your plan for the entirety of the hand, detailing what you intend to do if certain cards fall on the turn and river, as well as what you do if your opponent does something you were not anticipating. </font>


Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $50
UTG: $42.95
CO: $119.65
BTN: $59.50
SB: $57.55

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.75</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>, CO calls $4.25

Flop: ($12.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero hitches up his pants and...

[Micro Donk]

i bet fold around 9. seems like a TAG is much more likely to raise/call a mid-pp then a hand like AJ-AQ, and if we check, he may bluff at it trying to represent the ace, and even if we c/c the flop, he would put us on exactly what we have and 2 barrel at least...

id rather b/f flop, people tend to not bluff 3b pots with an ace on the flop

if he calls, im done with the hand unless i improve

edit: i shouldnt say hes more likely to raise/call with mid pp than AQ since hes probably doing both, but theres more mid pps in his range than Ax hands

[Hebel]

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i bet fold around 9. seems like a TAG is much more likely to raise/call a mid-pp then a hand like AJ-AQ, and if we check, he may bluff at it trying to represent the ace, and even if we c/c the flop, he would put us on exactly what we have and 2 barrel at least...

id rather b/f flop, people tend to not bluff 3b pots with an ace on the flop

if he calls, im done with the hand unless i improve

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my line exactly

edit: im always leading 3/4ths pot, same as i always do

[AFCBeer]

Me too

[yegon]

I'd do the same with JJ as I would with TT or AK here and that is bet 9-10$ on the flop. Obv if I am raised I fold JJ. If I am called I check/fold turn.

[ama0330]

What do you think about preflop? And what hands, if any, would you check here?

[Micro Donk]

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What do you think about preflop? And what hands, if any, would you check here?

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i think preflop is pretty standard

i dont think im checking any hands im 3betting in this spot...

[Gelford]

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What do you think about preflop? And what hands, if any, would you check here?

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Balance it the key word


Ask your self first what good hands you would check here ... and how you would play those in a spot like this, then do it with trash once in a rare while too.


This is not trash, but ... ehh .... I had a long argument with the artist formerly know as jonyy about spots like these, where he advocated checking and I said bet.

Oop I like betting, ip ... you can check behing for potcontrol and value extraction, that is my pow.

[dmoney]

Preflop: I think raising to 6.50 is a bit better here because you are oop. But 6is the low end of fine for a raise.

Flop: I would occasionally (10-15%) check A set of aces, or AT. I probably bet set of 3s or Ts as well as my Big aces. I would also probably check a weak ace but i'd rarely get here with a weak ace.

I like the bet 9-11$ depending on how often he calls C-Bets and basically give up if called. There is so few hands you are beating at the moment. QQ-KK will call you on these flops occasionally so even if you think he is weak (he might still be ahead) Betting won't get him to fold any hand by the turn once he calls flop.

[CashMoney1995]

not cbetting here sucks a lot. fire like 7.50 and obv fold to a raise.