NL400 - WTF Stop Calling?

manifest · #1 08-02-2007, 04:13 AM

Villain is another terrible party player. I have him at 24/6/0.5. Should I even fire this turn? I hit the straight on the river, but does that really improve my hand that much?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($639.10)
BB ($77.94)
Hero ($1,167.10)
MP ($363.12)
Button ($84.56)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $14, MP calls $14, 2 folds, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($44) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $34, MP calls $34, BB folds.

Turn: ($112) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $85, MP calls $85.

River: ($282) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ???

JrJordan · #2 08-02-2007, 04:16 AM

He's passive enough that a weak block bet should be enough to see a cheap showdown. I bet 100 on the river and fold to a raise. The only other option I'd consider is c/f here.

RickOSU · #3 08-02-2007, 04:23 AM

turn is fine. $200 on river or allin on river. this is party poker for god's sake, don't fold.

JackAll · #4 08-02-2007, 05:07 AM

Wow, this is kind of a sick spot.

What hands do we actually beat? 79/A9 are the only ones i think. But I don't think he bets so we might lose a little value with a check.

He could easily have 98/9J/9Q here. But we can't exactly bet/fold because he could raise with another str8.

I dunno, it looks like he sux, so I prob am willing to get in by betting $200.

Yeah, I know my reason might seem weak sauce. Curious about a better response tho.

xSCWx · #5 08-02-2007, 05:31 AM

I put the rest of his stack in right there.

lassie · #6 08-02-2007, 05:34 AM

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I put the rest of his stack in right there.

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Whisper · #7 08-02-2007, 05:47 AM

If you dont Vtown this river your burning monies, and a lot of it.

tripledrawrocks · #8 08-02-2007, 05:49 AM

i don't understand what you're afraid of, just stick it in

Big_Jim · #9 08-02-2007, 05:53 AM

Don't play on scared money OR run better

teh_mewse · #10 08-02-2007, 05:53 AM

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Wow, this is kind of a sick spot.

What hands do we actually beat? 79/A9 are the only ones i think. But I don't think he bets so we might lose a little value with a check.

He could easily have 98/9J/9Q here. But we can't exactly bet/fold because he could raise with another str8.

I dunno, it looks like he sux, so I prob am willing to get in by betting $200.

Yeah, I know my reason might seem weak sauce. Curious about a better response tho.

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The fact that you are even considering that we are behind here is insanely -ev. If he happens to have us beat here, pay him, its +ev in the long run. The real question is, do we check raise this river. This board is absolutely terrifying and even a 0.5 af will probably bluff at it, possibly shove. Its a really tempting checkraise, but i put in a bluff inducing bet. He only has 230 left, so if we put in a V-bet of about 50% of the pot, he won't shove cause he'll have less than a minraise left. I bet $90 here instead of $100, for a few specific significant reasons:

a) He will call $90 slightly more than $100, almost enough to make the two amount neutral ev
b) He will bluff-shove into $90 infinitely more than he will into $100.

clffs: bet 90