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Old 07-11-2007, 08:32 AM
ok2aa ok2aa is offline
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Default Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

i don't like it how i got here but should i call now.

villain is 21/18 and we haven't tangled much before. i think i've 3-bet him once or twice and he has folded pf.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $179.70
BB: $111.70
UTG: $99.00
CO: $118.65
BTN: $290.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $4.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $10.00

Flop: ($29) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $21.00</font>, BTN calls $21.00

Turn: ($71) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $46.00</font>, Hero calls $46.00

River: ($163) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $105.00</font>, Hero has ~$100 behind..
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Old 07-11-2007, 08:50 AM
paulnic paulnic is offline
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

i dont really like any of this tbh. dont mind the raise preflop to much(KQ is not that brilliant however) but i think u need to slow down on the flop and turn... i think this is a river fold imo but depends what info u have on villain. wouldnt be suprised to see AQ\JJ here
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:01 AM
Suigin406 Suigin406 is offline
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

eh, i'm not thrilled about 3betting KQ OOP against a 21/18, not to mention i just don't like checking flops after doing this, but OK...as played, i think u have to fold or crai on the turn, calling can't be good here...
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:01 AM
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

Pre/flop and flop look fine, I prolly chk fold turn though.
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:13 AM
Daddy Warbucks Daddy Warbucks is offline
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

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i don't like it how i got here but should i call now.

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You really only beat a bluff on the river.
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:38 AM
ok2aa ok2aa is offline
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

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i don't like it how i got here but should i call now.

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You really only beat a bluff on the river.

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yes, i know that. i think a bluff is also big part of his range there. he seemed to play ABC poker so i dont think he is valuebetting with less than AA and sets here. he just flatcalled on the flop which makes me believe it is less likely that he has a set/AA,KK. my Q and the turn Q reduces the chances of him having QQ.

so i think his range on the river is bluff( AK, missed flush) ,sets, sometimes AA and rarely KK.

does that make sense?
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:33 AM
vhunter vhunter is offline
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

see u keep 3 bet someone, he got so tired of u. he could took a stand on any two, JQ 77 44, AA, KK JJ or QQ even u have one. but the way he play looks like two pairs.
fold is easy, do u really want to show u 3bet reraised with KQ?

pf 3-bet on KQ is bad!!!!
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:35 AM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

I fold pf and fold against on the turn.
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:45 AM
Check_The_Nuts Check_The_Nuts is offline
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

lol wtf I valuebet KK on the river. You look pretty clearly like onepair by then, and its doubtful you have AA here.

I also see no reason for AA/KK to raise that flop.
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:46 AM
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Default Re: Villain shoves 100BB on the river and i have a pair

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see u keep 3 bet someone, he got so tired of u. he could took a stand on any two, JQ 77 44, AA, KK JJ or QQ even u have one. but the way he play looks like two pairs.
fold is easy, do u really want to show u 3bet reraised with KQ?

pf 3-bet on KQ is bad!!!!

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Why is this so bad? It's not suited but it's way ahead of button's range.
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