NL50: A flush on paired board, slightly deep, the ol'min raise

[ranka]

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call him down. as alex said, the only hand he calls pfr and flop bet with that has you beaten is 44.... everything else in his range you are ahead of.

he is a set miner with those stats, so for that reason i wouldn't raise, but just call him down and hope to see AJ, JT, or a smaller flush

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Why calling > shoving? If you call and the river is fourth diamond, then you can't get any value from Jx type hands.

EDIT: And these stats are quite worthless, only 20 hands.

[AlexB182]

I did not say that calling > shoving but that I def want to see a SD here. Plus if he has something like JT stuff calling might indeed be better because a shove might allow him to get away from his trips on a 3flush board while he might fire again on the river in case a brick comes off.

[RapidEvolution]

This is a tough spot, but I think calling turn and calling/leading river is the best line. Our hand has a ton of SD value and we don't want villain to get away from AJ/KJ/QJ or even a hand like 9dTd. I think either he has 44/88 (and it doesn't matter what we do because I really don't see us folding) or he has AJ/KJ/QJ/7d8d and these hands might fold to a shove, but they'll definitely either lead river or call a bet if we make one on the river.

[Specialwon]

Thanks much for the advice guys, I ended up pulling the trigger anyway on the basis that my hand was pretty well disguised and that I thought trips his most likely holding.

None of you mentioned the hand he actually had, which was JJ for quads which no way could I put him on but which makes sense in retrospect.

I thought this was particularly interesting because that was the second time in the space of 300 hands that I had been stacked by broadway pairs limp-called UTG, the previous hand was QQ which made an overset on the turn to my 666. Is anyone else running into this much?

[Berge20]

Make the note.

I've seen a lot of that type of passive PF play from the 10/2's of the world lately. Either limp-calling or cold calling a raise with big pairs.

Funny b/c they seem scared PF, but then they often felt on the flop.