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Old 10-24-2007, 03:05 PM
Kneel B4 Zod Kneel B4 Zod is offline
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Default Re: One of my friends thinks Theo Epstein is an overated GM.

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Cabrera has been better than Renteria, but that was hard to predict.

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Nonsense, I predicted it at the time.

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I mean, I was against the move at the time. I figured the guys played well here, everyone liked him, why the change?

but when you look at the #'s, you can def. see where Theo was coming from. Renterias previous 3 years had been better than Cabrera.

also, Cabrera would have been cheaper than Renteria. once Renteria signed, Cabreras value went up.
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: One of my friends thinks Theo Epstein is an overated GM.

cabrera hasn't been better than renteria in any of the last five years or so iirc
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Old 10-24-2007, 04:12 PM
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Default Re: One of my friends thinks Theo Epstein is an overated GM.

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cabrera hasn't been better than renteria in any of the last five years or so iirc

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Ocab warp in last 3 years

5.1
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Renteria:
3.4
6.2
7.2

so Ocab has been better in each of the last 3

Cabrera is way better than Renteria defensively
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Old 10-24-2007, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: One of my friends thinks Theo Epstein is an overated GM.

wow that's surprising, i was just looking at VORP / OPS+
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Old 10-24-2007, 04:56 PM
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Default Re: One of my friends thinks Theo Epstein is an overated GM.

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alex gonzalez is definitely not the best defensive shortstop in baseball. FRAR and FRAR2 both have him as below-average, in fact.

how is it 'flat out wrong' to let a guy go for someone who has roughly equivalent numbers, even if that were true? and by the way, it isn't true - renteria had two years of 115+ OPS in the three years before the sox signed him. cabrera has a career OPS+ of 86, only one season of 100+, and is a year older.

in fact, renteria even hit better than cabrera IN 2005 WHILE HE WAS WITH THE RED SOX, when he had a lousy year, and he has been way better than cabrera since then.

if lugo had performed anywhere near projections, he would have had a much better year at the plate than gonzalez, and i expect he will bounce back (after hitting .320 or so after the AS break). the difference between the two at the plate more than makes up for gonzalez' defense, which, as i said, is not 'the best in baseball.' FRAR2 has him as about 5 runs better, in a full season, than Lugo.

lugo is certainly overpriced, but the fact that he had a lousy first half doesn't mean he should be run out of boston. of course, that's exactly what idiots like you do, which is part of why it's so hard to play here.

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IMO, OPS = BS

First of all, your ad hominem aside, my comment on the ss history was not an attack on Lugo. I agree that while he's streaky, he's a better hitter than he's shown this year. Besides he's fast, and by all accounts has a positive attitude. My point was that changing shortstops every year just seemed indecisive at best and bizarre at worst.

And to underscore the point you made in comparing Lugo and Gonzalez, I doubt there's enough difference between all 4 of them to warrant 4 shortstops in 4 years.
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:03 PM
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Besides he's fast

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I lol'd
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:30 PM
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IMO, OPS = BS

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oh, i'm sorry mr. morgan, i didn't realize you had found someone to help you work the internet.
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:31 PM
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IMO, OPS = BS

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oh, i'm sorry mr. morgan, i didn't realize you had found someone to help you work the internet.

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A+
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Old 10-24-2007, 06:36 PM
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IMO, OPS = BS

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oh, i'm sorry mr. morgan, i didn't realize you had found someone to help you work the internet.

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Old 10-24-2007, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: One of my friends thinks Theo Epstein is an overated GM.

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IMO, OPS = BS

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oh, i'm sorry mr. morgan, i didn't realize you had found someone to help you work the internet.

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If only this was in OOT then NT!'s popularity rating there would have went up a point. To bad...maybe I shold show skunkworks that post.
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