Argument with local B&M donks has me second guessing myself

[Gene Fish]

just tell him he had the best hand and tell him to keep going all in with k-8

[JOHNY CA$H]

You're right of course, and as a rule of thumb never argue with donks. Ever.

The only justification for their point of view is that, say he knew you had AQ, calling with 88 is correct not knowing the other guy has K8.

[tmcdmck]

well whichever hand is "best" any sensible player would choose the hand with the most equity . . .

[JOHNY CA$H]

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So my question is, what do you consider to be the "best" hand? The made hand or the one with the highest winning %?

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The made hand is the best hand. Which has absolutely nothing to do with whether you should be putting all the money in with the best hand. It's pretty obvious that if you have K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and the flop is J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], and your opponent has 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], he has the best hand, but he should fold if you move all-in (and the pot is small compared to the stack sizes.)

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I don't consider the 8's here the "best" hand, and don't feel that distinction is of any help.

[Mark1808]

There is no question you held the best hand when all cards were turned over. Anyone who would not pick your hand once the other two hands were turned over would be making a mistake as your hand would make the most money in the long run. I would add I love a game were people are calling all ins with 88 and K8!!!

[Albert Moulton]

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http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3114464
pokenum -h ac qc - kh 8h - 8c 8s
Holdem Hi: 1370754 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Qc 585806 42.74 780573 56.94 4375 0.32 0.428
Kh 8h 324724 23.69 1016516 74.16 29514 2.15 0.247
8s 8c 430710 31.42 910530 66.43 29514 2.15 0.324

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How are people arguing that 88 is the best hand? Hold'em is played with 7 cards.

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Looks like in this match up, AcQc is the best hand. Things change if you have to bet or call in installments on the flop, then the turn, then the river. But that's not the case here. AcQc is "best."

But I wouldn't argue with anybody at the table. You made a move. Two guys called without good pot odds relative to their hand equity. You had a positive expectation when the money went in, but you lost. Just say, "nice hand" and rebuy. If they really are bad players, then don't tap the glass.